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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Epic-W

Med D said:
Some of these suggestions don't make sense given the brief statement from Jarred about "MX owners" being left behind. Nobody who skipped Dragon and now Weapon is going to now choose a costly 8k upgrade path. If there is another MX path it will be aimed at keeping MX owners in the RED stable. I don't see Epic MX owners trading to anything Scarlet or anything that costs more than the original Dragon upgrade.

Given that NAB has come and gone without the strongly hinted at MX announcement, I'm guessing that RED responded to a lot of kicking and screaming from Raven and Weapon buyers who felt burned and has either delayed or killed this program. I do think RED would be wise to keep as many owners in the ecosystem as possible though. I stayed on MX partly because I wanted to see what else was out there before (re) committing to RED in such a costly manner. I suspect others are in the same boat.
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I think this pretty much sums it up....
 
Marcus Friedlander said:
I don't know why you think it'll be the same price? Almost certainly it won't.

I can absolutely see a gap in the weapon line that can be filled by an 8k30p camera. It will almost certainly be more expensive than the 6kCF but cheaper than 8kCF.
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But it doesn't matter, because you still need the processing power to drive that sensor and that processing power is what the 6K CF has and therefor you get... the 8K CF that's already existing. Yes, maybe they could do a MG upgrade to 8K with that, since the MG has less processing power, but... that would be weird for the CF owners, since why would an 8K sensor of the same kind cost less to put into an MG body than into the CF body. And with an entirely new camera that would be even more strange to them because here they are, waiting for the 8K upgrade and then another camera pops up that may cost a little more but be a little less expensive than the total cost for going CF 8K and they will feel screwed.

It's not just about sensors, the sensor is related to the processing power driving it. You can't separate the two.
 
Red knows what they are doing and what to do in my eyes. LOL They build, we bitch and still buy. Everyone wants this great deal because we are cheap and want a great bang for our buck. We are at the top of the food chain with these cameras. The R1 to the weapon kicks ass, upgrade plans etc. and of course we want things on sale or end of life deals. we go crazy and can't wait to get our hands on the new cameras to brag, show them off etc. We need to understand on both sides this is the nature of the beast. Drop an Epic Gladiator 9k fully loaded out of the box! so we can get it and still bitch about everything right? =) I can say this, when it comes to figuring out bugs, test etc. I'm glad they listen to us, and will send a firmware fix or upgrade in place because no other company will give a damn! A failure would be to offer a Epic-x upgrade to a scarlet anything in my eyes. you don't move from a mansion to luxury studio apartment.
 
I see it as the Epic W same exact specs as the Magnesium, same form factor, but in the 9-10k upgrade price range like Dragon. They don't have to really make anything "new." Look what happened with the Dragon X, people basically paid a lot more money to have Dragon early.
 
Med D said:
Some of these suggestions don't make sense given the brief statement from Jarred about "MX owners" being left behind. Nobody who skipped Dragon and now Weapon is going to now choose a costly 8k upgrade path. If there is another MX path it will be aimed at keeping MX owners in the RED stable. I don't see Epic MX owners trading to anything Scarlet or anything that costs more than the original Dragon upgrade.

Given that NAB has come and gone without the strongly hinted at MX announcement, I'm guessing that RED responded to a lot of kicking and screaming from Raven and Weapon buyers who felt burned and has either delayed or killed this program. I do think RED would be wise to keep as many owners in the ecosystem as possible though. I stayed on MX partly because I wanted to see what else was out there before (re) committing to RED in such a costly manner. I suspect others are in the same boat.
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Nothing changed, they just decided to put off announcing a new camera at NAB until they were caught up with current deliveries. Which looks like it will take AWHILE. They didn't want to crowd their already overwhelming amount of orders and deliveries.

Based on what I've read I'd expect the "Epic-W" to still be coming, I just think there may be a bit of a wait.

And I still think there is a lot of room for another camera. The Weapon MG upgrade is basically a minimum of a $20,000 upgrade. Dragon costed FAR less. And now the jump is over to an entire new body, new accessories, it's not as easy of an investment to make IMHO. I think that leaves room for something that offers close to what the Dragon offers currently, maybe without ProRes. Maybe they offer an option that is similar to the Raven with a built in mount. The price gap is still way to big for a lot of folks, and has left a lot of Epic MX and Dragon users sitting and holding onto what they already got it appears.

It may take time, but I think RED will do their best to take care of that gap.
 
jordan levy said:
i think an epic dragon specs with just new processing a better data rates and new dsmc2 body will be it.
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But that's exactly what Mg Weapon is...
 
Jeffrey Loewe said:
The Weapon MG upgrade is basically a minimum of a $20,000 upgrade.
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Not sure how you came up with that figure. With my pre NAB discount, the $5000 accessory credit, and factoring the included accessories I was able to sell and my old accessories I needed to sell my upgrade cost from Epic Dragon to MG Weapon was more like $7,000.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
Not sure how you came up with that figure. With my pre NAB discount, the $5000 accessory credit, and factoring the included accessories I was able to sell and my old accessories I needed to sell my upgrade cost from Epic Dragon to MG Weapon was more like $7,000.
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Well its $29,500 total for the body. Trade in for an Epic X Dragon is anywhere from $13,000 to $15,500. So on the high end you're looking at about $14,000 just to get started. Once you add in new accessories you need to get running on DSMC 2.0 you're easily hitting $20,000. I really only had Dragon for about 6 months when they announced Weapon, and this was when I got my upgrade notification after ordering within the first 2-3 days of the Dragon announcement. It wasn't easy to turn around and come up with the funds needed to take advantage of the accessory credit unfortunately.
 
Only a week left before the end of the Raven month, June announcement maybe?
 
Alberto Guglielmi said:
Good news from Jarred on another thread (Obsolesce #72):
"Don't worry it will come just need to get caught up with ravens before we sort you guys out :)"
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F#&K! This is good and bad. Good in that a cheaper high end model is coming. Bad in that I love my S-W; but I will still have that wondering eye.
 
Gene Sung said:
F#&K! This is good and bad. Good in that a cheaper high end model is coming. Bad in that I love my S-W; but I will still have that wondering eye.
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I don't think this means new camera, I think it was regarding a special Epic MX upgrade path to weapon, S-W etc.

???
 
Brody_B said:
I don't think this means new camera, I think it was regarding a special Epic MX upgrade path to weapon, S-W etc.

???
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Since I should not buy anymore things, fingers crossed that you're right.... Sorta... :001_smile:
 
Gene Sung said:
Since I should not buy anymore things, fingers crossed that you're right.... Sorta... :001_smile:
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I laughed way too hard that this. Thanks, Gene!
We definitely should exercise self control and not buy more things for the time being.
 
Pretty silent here.
Jarred posted in the June update: "O and I know some of you Epic MX folks are patiently awaiting for your DSCM2 upgrade path... We still need a bit more time. It will be very special in a small but big way."

Any ideas guys:)?

@phill u know something we don't ;)?
 
Jaimy Soares said:
@phill u know something we don't ;)?[/COLOR]
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