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Epic-W

Andy White said:
Yup, a painful memory for me, LOL.

I think I mentioned that in an earlier post and you're right, RED can do some aggressive marketing & re-positioning (if it so wishes).
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Well, they need to do something aggressive. The competition has not sat still. That price cut was a painful memory for me too. Which is why I've held off on everything until there's a reasonable path from EPIC Dragon to the new normal -- DSMC 2/wifi/proxies/etc. Talk of going from EPIC Dragon to Scarlet W makes me throw up a little. ;)

If the concern is on what the high-end folks are getting etc., that's a different problem to solve. And only RED can determine how best to solve it.
 
sergio arguello said:
Why would anybody trade an Epic Dragon that has all the same specs as a weapon to downgrade to scarlet? all this talk is mind boggling. I think if its called EPIC then he's probably has something up his sleeve using the epic bodies that are out there be it MX or dragon and bringing this specs up to weapons and that only means simul prores...as thats the only real significant difference from epIC dragon to weapon , and maybe wifi...
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Perhaps I'm wrong but doesn't Scarlet W out spec Epic MX in just about every way? Sure one is called Epic and one is called Scarlet but I'd rather own or shoot with a Scarlet W over an Epic MX anyday.

Just sayin.
 
Troy Bakewell said:
Perhaps I'm wrong but doesn't Scarlet W out spec Epic MX in just about every way? Sure one is called Epic and one is called Scarlet but I'd rather own or shoot with a Scarlet W over an Epic MX anyday.

Just sayin.
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No, Scarlet W has less bandwidth.

But aren't Epic MX / Epic Dragon and Magnesium virtually the same spec wise? I see the same compression options on both of them. Aluminum Weapon with MG boards seems totally realistic to me.
 
Roger Valdes said:
No, Scarlet W has less bandwidth.

But aren't Epic MX / Epic Dragon and Magnesium virtually the same spec wise? I see the same compression options on both of them. Aluminum Weapon with MG boards seems totally realistic to me.
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Nope, the Weapon MG has higher transfer rates (which means simultaneous ProRes/R3D recording), better processing to handle noise, less power hungry (needs to be confirmed, but also means better temperature) and less compression.
The MX doesn't have the same specs for resolution, compression and frame rates, while the Dragon sensor compression handles differently than MX, they are not even close.


As for many things in this thread I don't really understand the Epic-W ideas... we already have a pretty wide lineup with small steps between each cameras. Even the Raven vs Scarlet-W gets some debate on the "why's". I rather they focus on making the current lineup as good as possible instead of doing another camera. It's getting saturated and pretty inflated otherwise.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
As for many things in this thread I don't really understand the Epic-W ideas... we already have a pretty wide lineup with small steps between each cameras.
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Small steps? Not with regard to cost. The difference between Scarlet-W and Weapon MG is a rather big step. You can buy 3 Scarlet-W brains for the cost of ONE Weapon MG.
 
I would think most of us Red Epic Dragon owners want to upgrade and be on the path for the 8K sensor. This path is only possible with Carbon Fiber Weapon, and that is probably out of reach for most of us but those high end, big production companies- which aren't that much out there, I think. (And those should have the CF on order)

What's missing for us is a path to this sensor that would allow us , at Magnesium upgrade price point, be able to get to 8K. We could have this later than the CF guys, or with fewer frame rates. The important thing was that we could go Vistavision, and benefit with all the DR, noise, etc advantages that the sensor brings.

The competition is fierce, and NAB might bring a clearer picture of what the competition is doing.

As a Red EPic MX owner who upgraded to Dragon, I'm certainly committed to keep on the Red Bandwagon due to the excellent quality of the cameras (image quality, build quality, form factor), excellent service and support from Red, and, well, brand loyalty for during these 4 years as a red owner, never feeling a better experience operating or produced better images than since I owned the Epic. Its just revolutionary.

But the competition is here, and everything, like Jim once said, must make commercial sense.

I'm sure Red Team knows what the competition is cooking up, and scheduling this announcement at NAB might mean something "killer" that outshines the competition, again. Can't wait!
 
Scot Yount said:
Small steps? Not with regard to cost. The difference between Scarlet-W and Weapon MG is a rather big step. You can buy 3 Scarlet-W brains for the cost of ONE Weapon MG.
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Small steps in features. You get higher frame rates, better compression and one extra K, everything else is almost the same so I'd call those small steps. What will there be in between those that justify a mid way between the cost of the Scarlet-W and the Weapon 6K? If there is a mid way, I'd bet that one camera will be sold less, why buy a Scarlet-W when for a little more you get the Epic-W or why buy a more expensive Epic-W that won't give you much more than the less expensive Scarlet-W? I can't see the justified price for such a small step in feature improvements over the Scarlet-W. It can't be better than the Weapon 6K, otherwise it will cost more. So no, I do not see the market for an Epic-W really. Maybe if they do it like the niche monochrome, like a high speed Weapon that has only 4K but 1000fps and a modified R3D codec compression, but that would be a niche market to compete with the Phantom and probably cost more than the Weapon 6K. People dream too much on these boards, these things cost a lot, high speed like the Phantom cost really a lot.
 
I'm in the MX boat. I'm really curious what they are going to do. It's simple tough. Buy a Scarlet-W if it's not what I want, sell the MX and put that money up to a upgrade to weapon. But if Red can come up with a better deal, count me in.
 
Is there any chance that NAB will bring good news people???
 
A new sensor is coming, not this NAB, can't find the post but jarred has hinted about dsmc2 bodies being needed for it
 
Yeah..I knew that. In another thread people are yakking about whether Scarlet-W will be upgradeable. Everyone knows the boards won't support an upgrade to 8K, but I bet they work just fine with whatever the new sensor will be (in a year or so) and it's no doubt fine color science.
 
Epic-W(hite)?
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nope just one of Jarred's personal Weapons. He tends to have all the ones with awesome finishes.
 
Andrei Goaga said:
Epic-W(hite)?
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That's an 8K camera so nope. The cost of it would be in the range of the CF 8K Dragon in that case so no luck for some mid way camera between Scarlet-W and Weapon 6K MG.
 
Well, I still think there is as much of a gap between Mg and Cf (spec wise) as it is between Scarlet-W and MgW
 
Andrei Goaga said:
Well, I still think there is as much of a gap between Mg and Cf (spec wise) as it is between Scarlet-W and MgW
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That might be true, but for us who upgraded from the prime Epic Dragon camera to be three cameras down the list from 8K, CF, EW and MG that would be quite the loss bussiness-wise. Having an Epic Dragon was having the best camera, but now I "only" have the MG and if there's something else cooking that's supposed to be better than MG but not fully CF that just feels like a kick in the groin when most of us haven't even gotten our MG fully fleshed out yet.
 
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