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Epic-W

Christoffer Glans said:
This kind of camera makes no sense... who would buy this camera?
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Everyone?

Except for maybe the Weapon carbon, a 6k Epic W for $19.950 would make most sense to me. I guess RED is testing the ground with the current Scarlet W: good specs at an aggressive price. But the 5k resolution seems like a restriction they built in to protect the higher end. They've been punching out those 6k sensors in the older Scarlet D for quite a while now, so it isn't bleeding edge anymore—it can't be about price.

There's a huge gap up to Weapon MG that an Epic W would fill nicely. It's a bit unfortunate that the lineup still is in so much flux though. I'm sure most potential owners would have liked to see what the lineup will be, even if the actual release still gets done in sequential batches. Scarlet W got dropped into the mix out of the blue and now perhaps an Epic W too, AFTER some users have already opted for Weapon MG (who might have been happy with Epic W, depending on spec).
 
BrendanLeahy said:
I think that would immediately kill the Mg - you'd basically then just be paying a costly premium for 0.15 lbs of weight savings with the materials on magnesium vs aluminum + maybe a bit more data speed. And they just started shipping the Mg trade-ins last month, right?
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The difference between Weapon Woven and Forged is....uh, nothing. And it is $10K more if I am not mistaken. Quicker upgrade to 8K, but reminds me of Epic-X and Epic-M. Machined, one more year of warranty, and uh, no performance increase. If memory serves.....
 
Nick Morrison said:
I dont think Epic-W would be better than MG. It would be step below.

Maybe it's 6K 23.98 only?
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It can't be anything less than the Epic Dragon specs, otherwise there'd be no reason to upgrade. At minimum I'd say current Epic Dragon in new DSMC2 body, at a great price point.
 
BrendanLeahy said:
True. The difference is that the people who bought Forged for $10k over the CF Woven had the option/opportunity to decide between those two bodies.

People that have upgraded from Epic-Dragon to MG only knew that this was the lowest-cost route they could do to get into the DSMC 2.0 system.

Releasing an Epic-W after that with the same specs as MG at a lower price and allowing Epic-Dragons to upgrade to that would be kind of a shaft.
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I know the first post in the other thread was about Dragon, but Jarred then said "I'm saying I don't want anyone that owns an Epic MX to feel like they missed the bus and have been left behind.

Brent will beat the crap out of me if I say anything more." Epic MX....MX. But who knows.....besides some choice folks at RED HQ.
 
i think when all the scarlet-w and raven preordered are rolled out then the offer will be anyone with an epic dragon or epic mx would be entitled to the scarlet discount, or a discount towards a weapon mg.
that seems to make the most sense, not for them to create a whole other camera.
 
jordan levy said:
i think when all the scarlet-w and raven preordered are rolled out then the offer will be anyone with an epic dragon or epic mx would be entitled to the scarlet discount, or a discount towards a weapon mg.
that seems to make the most sense, not for them to create a whole other camera.
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I think I could understand an Aluminum body camera with MG specs. A price range in between Scarlet W and MG Weapon. It just seems to me they want to get everyone possible onto the Weapon form-factor... they look ahead and I think this will fit into their plans for coming tech.

Just a guess as I wanted to get my two cents worth in before inflation hits.
 
jordan levy said:
i think when all the scarlet-w and raven preordered are rolled out then the offer will be anyone with an epic dragon or epic mx would be entitled to the scarlet discount, or a discount towards a weapon mg.
that seems to make the most sense, not for them to create a whole other camera.
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I think you're probably right, and this is what it is.
 
jordan levy said:
i think when all the scarlet-w and raven preordered are rolled out then the offer will be anyone with an epic dragon or epic mx would be entitled to the scarlet discount, or a discount towards a weapon mg.
that seems to make the most sense, not for them to create a whole other camera.
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Then explain this....
James Bendkowski said:
Hmmmm....Do I smell an Epic-W on the horizon? :wink5:
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Jarred Land said:
Brent, it wasn't me it wasn't me it wasn't me.
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so, you're thinking he was just encouraging a false rumor for the fun of it? I find that hard to believe.
 
I don't recall where this was discussed exactly, but I vaguely remember Jarred saying that there may be a small chance that the Epic body may be able to support the next generation sensor, whatever that may be (not VV, but whatever comes after Dragon.)

If that's the case, I'm thinking Epic W would be your DSMC1 Epic body, but with updated internals to support the next sensor when it's ready to roll out.

Pure speculation from my possibly skewed memory of vague hints made nearly a year ago.
 
It really shouldn't be so close but if Red set a depreciated price for the dsmc1, it would automatically depreciate all the Epic Dragons out there for those who might want to sell. Realistically, prices can stay high for second hand Dragons for a while since they are few Weapons out there and since Dragons are still close to Weapon in spec. A lower price Dragon would eat into the sale of Weapon (either by selling new cheaper priced Dragons or flooding the second hand market with low price dragons - making those that might have bought a Weapon think twice.

Dragon and Weapon are very similar anyhow in specs. Not everyone needs Pro Res either and saving money simply means buying other needed stuff (like monitors and batteries).

Jaimy Soares said:
Something a bit offtopic but still.

Why is the magnesium weapon and the dsmc1 dragon only 2.700 dollars different?
http://www.red.com/store/products/epic-x-red-dragon-w-side-ssd-and-lens-mount
http://www.red.com/store/products/weapon-magnesium-6k-brain
(I added the 700 for a canon mount:))
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Yes RED TEAM! Give me a path to 8K from my amazing Epic Dragon, one I can, like I did back when I went Dragon, afford! I'll be spending it in media, batteries Revolt XLs, mounts, modules, without a doubt! That way I can grow my camera and extras at my own financial pace!
 
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