EPIC / SCARLET Firmware 3.3

[Doug Beatty]

5K WS @ 30ps and 5KHD @ 25fps would be great for Scarlet Dragon. Would that cut into Epic sales? I think it would be fair to offer people that bought into Scarlet an opportunity to buy into the 5K world for those of us that don't need insane fps at 5K. Interested to hear if Epic owners or potential Epic owners disagree and why this would be a bad idea.

 

[Robino_J]

I didn't buy it just to shoot some personal opus. Sorry if you have a problem with that.

I did and my opus will be great!

 

[Mikael Lubtchansky]

There is a key action "LCD (Brain): Cycle Mode" that will cycle through the different modes - is that what you need?

Hi Trent

This key action is very nice, but I have 2 small comments :
- the right view mode text overlap with pitch roll text.
- is there a way to just switch between 100% clean and normal DSMC menu without cycling thru all other modes ? I tried to create a setting for that but I had only 1 monitor connected and couldn't access the save preset menu while in clean mode ! Would this work if I connect an SDI with menu to create the 'clean EVF' preset ?

I can confirm the look around toggle key is working great and I like how this is implemented globally without lowering high speed mode when needed. That and the option to apply shading to non action area offers a lot of ways to configure a look around / record around areas !

 

[Elizabeth Lowrey]

Can we PLEASE PLEASE keep this thread on topic so that those of us who only check it for real information about this build can find it without wading through post after post of debates about Epic vs. Scarlet, amateurs vs. professionals, and general pissing contests? This happened before with threads dedicated to new builds, and the fact that it's happening again here is beyond annoying (and very discourteous).

Now on to business. I want to report that after installing this build on an Epic with Canon mount, I spent a lot of time reforming and refining custom presets and key mappings. Aside from the fact that the camera mysteriously shut down with no warning when I was playing with buttons, I noticed that when you display the lens dialog (easiest way is up arrow on navigation group when in the aperture slot), the scroll wheel on the navigation group --both on the side handle and on the redmote -- do not actually change the aperture values as I assume they are meant to. There's some flaky wobbling of numbers in the display (yet they always settle exactly where they started) and flickering of the brightness of the image as if the f-stop were trying to change, but nothing ever actually takes hold. There is also flaky behavior with the scroll wheel when trying to change values for the focus distance parameter, which is displayed right next to the aperture value on the "show lens dialog" menu. Values change, but not consistently, and I'm not sure there is any predictable relationship between the focus distance displayed and what the lens is actually doing. Am I correct that the values in this menu are meant to be dynamic, interactive parameters that you can change via navigation buttons, or are they just static readouts of what the status of the lens was at the instant the menu was invoked?

Also, the focus distance readouts on the LCD are different from those in the menus. The LCD gives inches for closer distances, transitioning to feet (with one decimal place) as distances grow to the point where that makes sense while menus display inches well up into 3 digit ranges. As an example of odd value displays, the lens dialog menu shows feet up into the thousands(!) instead of reaching an infinity value as you scroll the values. I assume RED team are well aware of this, but just in case there's something funky with my particular camera, I'm reporting it.

The notes for this build indicate there were changes/refinements made to the focus tools. Can anyone from RED comment about what they are? I've only mounted a Canon 16-35 f/2.8L, but I've not seen anything so far that strikes me as new or different from the last build I used (which was not the last beta but the one before, 3.2.8 I believe). I would love to see a parameter that lets you select (dynamically via a key assignment) the size of the focus change increment. If not that, I'd settle for just having a less coarse incremental change than what we currently have. Anyone from RED care to comment on the feasibility of this? Is it totally lens dependent, as far as characteristics of the focus motors, or is there an ability to get finer increments than what we're now seeing on basically any Canon lens with auto focus?

Lest, I forget, thanks to the RED team for all the hard work put in to continue the evolution of these cameras!

 

[Patrick Grossien]

Changing Lens info from Imperial to Metric didn't work for me... anyone?

Good Update BTW!!! Keep up the good work!!

Same here. It just keeps switching back to imperial...

 

[Max M.]

- is there a way to just switch between 100% clean and normal DSMC menu without cycling thru all other modes ? I tried to create a setting for that but I had only 1 monitor connected and couldn't access the save preset menu while in clean mode ! Would this work if I connect an SDI with menu to create the 'clean EVF'

+1 for that, just like the red one has. Now its not really useable because you have to cycle through nearly 5 options. If you guys could split out those option in het key assign menu then we can choose between which one to toggle, would be great!

 

[scott william]

5K WS @ 30ps and 5KHD @ 25fps would be great for Scarlet Dragon. Would that cut into Epic sales? I think it would be fair to offer people that bought into Scarlet an opportunity to buy into the 5K world for those of us that don't need insane fps at 5K. Interested to hear if Epic owners or potential Epic owners disagree and why this would be a bad idea.

I though dragon was a sensor upgrade, do you expect more processing power with a sensor upgrade?

I'd be happy with more Dr and less noise at higher ISO's.

 

[Jarred Land]

Can we PLEASE PLEASE keep this thread on topic so that those of us who only check it for real information about this build can find it without wading through post after post of debates about Epic vs. Scarlet,!

Agree. Moderators... start cracking down on this. Such a dumb argument. It is akin to buying a Porsche Boxter and then yelling at the dealer and everyone else who will listen that they expect the car to be as fast as a 911 Turbo just because they use the same transmission and Oil filter. Makes no sense to me how people get sideways about this stuff.. but it is waisting everyone's time.

 

[Patrick Grossien]

@Trent, or anyone else involved with programming the Menu UI, I have a suggestion for optimization:

When creating a preset, in the Menu you end up after selecting "CREATE", and you push down on the NavCross you end up on on the "-->" Button most of the time and not in the left field to select what you want to add. Which is a bit of a pain.

The first time you do it, you end up in the left field which is great. But when you push up now, you end up on said "-->" Button which seems to be why it always choses to get back to that one. So it might be best to change the CrossNavi Up Button to end up in the register and not on the "-->" button. Because you could always access the "-->" Button by pushing CrossNavi Right.

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Been shooting all day. No hickups! Best build so far!

 

[Patrick Grossien]

... I noticed that when you display the lens dialog (easiest way is up arrow on navigation group when in the aperture slot), the scroll wheel on the navigation group --both on the side handle and on the redmote -- do not actually change the aperture values as I assume they are meant to. There's some flaky wobbling of numbers in the display (yet they always settle exactly where they started) and flickering of the brightness of the image as if the f-stop were trying to change, but nothing ever actually takes hold. There is also flaky behavior with the scroll wheel when trying to change values for the focus distance parameter, which is displayed right next to the aperture value on the "show lens dialog" menu. Values change, but not consistently, and I'm not sure there is any predictable relationship between the focus distance displayed and what the lens is actually doing. Am I correct that the values in this menu are meant to be dynamic, interactive parameters that you can change via navigation buttons, or are they just static readouts of what the status of the lens was at the instant the menu was invoked?

To add to this, I checked it on my Scarlet. The Aperture setting works great and the Focus setting worked fine after switching the Focus Mode once. Now it works in any Focus Mode. Remember the Lens has to be in AF mode.
It's still not useful to rack focus, because of the big steps, and also (confirmed with my Canon L 70-200 IS II) when it switches from inch to feet, the focus jumps. But the display is fine. I'm not sure if I understand correctly what you mean by wobbling numbers, but the display / appearance of the numbers themselves are stable.

The notes for this build indicate there were changes/refinements made to the focus tools. Can anyone from RED comment about what they are? I've only mounted a Canon 16-35 f/2.8L, but I've not seen anything so far that strikes me as new or different from the last build I used (which was not the last beta but the one before, 3.2.8 I believe). I would love to see a parameter that lets you select (dynamically via a key assignment) the size of the focus change increment. If not that, I'd settle for just having a less coarse incremental change than what we currently have. Anyone from RED care to comment on the feasibility of this? Is it totally lens dependent, as far as characteristics of the focus motors, or is there an ability to get finer increments than what we're now seeing on basically any Canon lens with auto focus?

+1 on the detailed information (but I assume these would be too lengthy, too cumbersome to list and sometimes so minor because there are so many different lenses involved)

About the focus size increment: as far as what I heard, the team is working hard to make this happen. I asked about the refinement of the focus racking option and this should be related. This is a crazy, humongous (haven't used this term in ages ... hehehe) task, because there are so many different lenses involved and with each one behaving differently, I can hardly grasp the amount of work which has to be done to make this happen. But I'm still so much looking forward to it

Lest, I forget, thanks to the RED team for all the hard work put in to continue the evolution of these cameras!

True, I can't say this often enough either: Thanks, RED team! Awesome improvements all over the place!!! This is like getting a new camera each time! Happy me!

 

[Patrick Grossien]

I have found one more thing which would be great to have added:

When you map a Cycle Function (like Focus or DisplayCheck Mode) to a button, have the display not read out "Key Action: Display Check Mode: cycle" but name the actual mode it has been set to. Of course this can only be done for non-user-presets, but it would make the standard cycle modes a lot more comfortable. For Display Check Mode this may not seem all that necessary because the look of the screen changes, but for example focus cycle is hardly useable because you have no clue (or feedback) to what mode you just set it to.

 

[Mayo Hurajt]

i see that LCD image ‘stutter’ when panning is again found in this version. switching focus distance from imperial to metric is not working too.

 

[Ray Palin]

Audio play out from camera speaker?

Audio play out from camera speaker?

This is a great build! A quick query, can the audio also play out from the small speaker underneath the camera or is this not a speaker at all?

 

[Ben Coleman]

I have found one more thing which would be great to have added:

When you map a Cycle Function (like Focus or DisplayCheck Mode) to a button, have the display not read out "Key Action: Display Check Mode: cycle" but name the actual mode it has been set to. Of course this can only be done for non-user-presets, but it would make the standard cycle modes a lot more comfortable. For Display Check Mode this may not seem all that necessary because the look of the screen changes, but for example focus cycle is hardly useable because you have no clue (or feedback) to what mode you just set it to.

+1 :thumbsup: That would be a very welcome addition!

 

[Marc Berger]

Same here. It just keeps switching back to imperial...

Same here. No way to get it on metric.

BTW, great build! It is just incredible what is all possible with this camera now...the Red team is full of wizards, Thanks.
Marc

 

[Stuart English]

This is a great build! A quick query, can the audio also play out from the small speaker underneath the camera .. ?

Sorry Ray, that's a BEEP speaker only.

 

[Richard_JP]

Agree. Moderators... start cracking down on this. Such a dumb argument. It is akin to buying a Porsche Boxter and then yelling at the dealer and everyone else who will listen that they expect the car to be as fast as a 911 Turbo just because they use the same transmission and Oil filter. Makes no sense to me how people get sideways about this stuff.. but it is waisting everyone's time.

I was simply asking about something that I had read over at DVXuser about the Scarlet now able to shoot 120fps @ 2k. Seems that it can't, and IMO that's a shame. Speaking from the gospel of RED, I don't see any need for a 1k function. That was my only point.

Net result, I currently rent the EPIC instead of buying the Scarlet.

Good day to you sir :]

 

[Elsie N]

.. but it is waisting everyone's time.

Waisting? I thought that was where two people lay across one another (like in a plus sign) waist to waist and writhe and wriggle. Some say it is a wait-loss exercise, but others see sexual overtones. I just don't see what this has to do with Porsches.:huh:

 

[Meryem Ersoz]

I believe 1k was an afterthought - a "oh look, because we can" extra bonus treat, not part of the original specs. Throwing in extra little bones to their users when they dig them up is exactly consistent with the gospel of RED. Your perception is entirely backwards. Not to beat what should already be the dead horse...

Just chiming in here to thank RED for the HD-SDI and HDMI simultaneous output - I read earlier somewhere that this was not going to be enabled on SCARLET and to see this released for both brains is another one of those awesome extras. Thanks, RED team, for putting the best foot forward whenever possible. Audio playback and simultaneous output are huge additions and bring these cams ever closer to perfection.

Will SCARLET ever have a 4.5K widescreen option? I'd like to be able to easily match my EPIC widescreen aspect ratio with the SCARLET. I think that is the last request on my camera features list.