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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

EPIC production...

Jeff Coatney said:
We not only paid the deposit, but we followed on with the entire Stage 2 balance nearly a year ago. Its not easy to do this- to have Red hold onto our cash for almost a whole year. That's about a $20K deposit in the first national bank of Red. We also thought we'd have the Epic in our hands by now.

While it wasn't easy to part with that cash, I also know that its not easy to build a 35mm 5K digital camera the size of a Hasselblad that can shoot at 120fps-- even when you have all the cash needed to put toward that goal. I know how high-tech gear is made. I know this camera is the bleeding edge of tech. Trust me, I've been tempted to call up Jim and cash in my chips, get a refund.

My wife thinks I'm nuts, but she respects my background and my judgement enough to let this bet ride. I have no idea how I got so lucky to be married to someone like her.

I know I got a fanboy slant to my posts, but honestly, there is nothing in this world that will come between me and getting my hands on that brand new Epic. I've been waiting for twenty years to get the capability that this camera will give me. Its damn hard to do this: the waiting, the wondering, the juggling of cashflow. Now its close. I can taste it.

I think very highly of everyone I've met and talked to at Red. I feel especially close to them even though they don't even know who I am. But I feel a special bond-- a loyalty. I'm not a Peter Jackson or a Stephen Soderbergh, but I feel like they respect my needs as a client with as much attention as the big guys get.

I respect the generosity that Jim has personally extended to us by offering the Stage 2 option. He does not have to do this. In fact, if he were playing by the rulebook written by Sony or Canon or Arri, he would not offer such a gift to his early adopters. Those guys just don't get it-- and that's why they don't have my money sitting in their bank account for a product they haven't even made yet.

Waiting is a sacrifice- and I don't dole out fanboy praise to just anybody. You gotta earn my trust and my business. You gotta show me that you're willing to go as far as I am. I've given up much to follow my bliss- sometimes the road is bumpy- hell, sometimes there's no road at all. Maybe I see that same kind of crazy dedication in Jim, Jarred, Graeme, Deanan and the rest of the Red team. I'm a 4 o'clock in the morning guy too, and I dig that about these guys.

You know I just can't figure Jim out-- he could be anywhere in the world doing whatever the hell he wants and he spends his time staying up all hours making my dream camera. That's MY camera he's making. That gets my attention. The very least I can do is say "thank you" the only way I can-- with my business.
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Jeff, you had me at Hello .... fantastic post.
 
Jannard said:
..but the total number of EPIC-Ms out now is in excess of 250. I think that is half the population of Alexa's. The number shipped EPICs should surpass 500 before NAB.

Jim
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Are there any of those 250+ Epic-Ms available for rent here on the East Coast??
 
Fantastic Jeff...great post same feeling here in the down side of the America.

Similar feelings Cam... natural.

Everyone wants the M machine heheh. ;)

Let's wait the moves.

cheers, good luck mate !
 
Jannard said:
We have EPIC-M production pretty well sorted out... although in small quantities.

EPIC-X production line is being set up and is still more of an unknown. There are so many moving parts here that it is impossible to give absolute production dates and quantities. Our customers wanted to know what was going on and we gave our best estimates given the knowledge we had and the history of how things actually work.

While I think we are getting much better at predicting... the complexity of this project is hard to verbalize. We are certainly doing our best, but there seems to be obstacles every day that surprise us. I am more comfortable getting all cameras ordered by NAB out by summer's end than I am how many EPIC-Xs will ship before NAB and when real numbers start rolling. We have hired the best trained professionals possible to head up production, but they walked into a situation with a ton of work to do and not much time.

Our goal is to satisfy our customers, not frustrate them. Delays are frustrating. The solution, in hindsight, would to have never put out estimates... even though everyone knows "things can change".

Having said that... some EPIC-Xs will ship before NAB.

Jim
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I was hoping to get my EPIC's before NAB, but......

Reading between the lines... I'd say little to none before then....

Don't worry Jim, after 3 years with RED I've learnt not to get my hopes up with delivery times. I know you and your team are working hard, we can't ask for anymore than that.

Good luck. :)
 
Jannard said:
We have EPIC-M production pretty well sorted out... although in small quantities.

EPIC-X production line is being set up and is still more of an unknown. There are so many moving parts here that it is impossible to give absolute production dates and quantities. Our customers wanted to know what was going on and we gave our best estimates given the knowledge we had and the history of how things actually work.

While I think we are getting much better at predicting... the complexity of this project is hard to verbalize. We are certainly doing our best, but there seems to be obstacles every day that surprise us. I am more comfortable getting all cameras ordered by NAB out by summer's end than I am how many EPIC-Xs will ship before NAB and when real numbers start rolling. We have hired the best trained professionals possible to head up production, but they walked into a situation with a ton of work to do and not much time.

Our goal is to satisfy our customers, not frustrate them. Delays are frustrating. The solution, in hindsight, would to have never put out estimates... even though everyone knows "things can change".

Having said that... some EPIC-Xs will ship before NAB.

Jim
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Other than going to nab to place our orders where else will we be able to do so?? is the website getting an update before nab so we can start ordering out items??
 
Peter Lyons Collister said:
Ahhh, I will miss Stage 6 at Red Studios.......
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I don't think anyone who went there will get over the initial shock of seeing rows of guys working on Epics!

I tried to count as I walked around and gave up at 50, this was mid-December and there were already a lot of cameras out there, the 15 you mention, plus the 30 down under.

That was 3 months ago!
 
Hey my RED is 7XXX! How long do i have to wait in line??????
 
Jim,

I know you have said that online ordering will be available fir new customers during NAB, which is great news. Will there be the chance to buy directly from RED Europe and Alan there?

Would be great and easier for tax reasons if we could place deposit and order directly with him.

Thanks

Steve
 
Stage 6...

I know
Tattoo
Stage 1.5 (M)
Stage 2 (X)
Stage 3 (Trade in)
Stage 4 (No previous RED to trade in/Also called: Sanjin)
Stage 5 (The mystery stage)
Stage 6 (Where the Epics have beem built up to now...)

Confusion...
 
Steve Johnson said:
Jim,

I know you have said that online ordering will be available fir new customers during NAB, which is great news. Will there be the chance to buy directly from RED Europe and Alan there?

Would be great and easier for tax reasons if we could place deposit and order directly with him.

Thanks

Steve
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I second this question- I'm sure Alan would appreciate the hassle reduction that being instantly up to speed will bring. For example, I wanted to order my new matte box through Red Europe like a well behaved consumer, but it took a long while between online ordering opening and Red Europe being able to accept an order. For Epic X and Scarlet in future I'd hate to have slipped down the global queue for that reason.
 
Steve Johnson said:
Jim,

I know you have said that online ordering will be available fir new customers during NAB, which is great news. Will there be the chance to buy directly from RED Europe and Alan there?

Would be great and easier for tax reasons if we could place deposit and order directly with him.

Thanks

Steve
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Agreed, ordering through Alan at RED Europe would be preferable on this side of the pond.
 
Gunleik Groven said:
Stage 6...

I know
Tattoo
Stage 1.5 (M)
Stage 2 (X)
Stage 3 (Trade in)
Stage 4 (No previous RED to trade in/Also called: Sanjin)
Stage 5 (The mystery stage)
Stage 6 (Where the Epics have beem built up to now...)

Confusion...
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Stage 6 = studio 6 as far as I know:) nothing to do with the epic "stages"...
 
Just remember Jim,

You all are doing a GREAT JOB, and you've made a FANTASTIC camera that everyone wants. This is why people are going nuts.

It's the problem you want to have. Good work!

Jay
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Just remember Jim,

You all are doing a GREAT JOB, and you've made a FANTASTIC camera that everyone wants. This is why people are going nuts.

It's the problem you want to have. Good work!

Jay
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Kinda like a reverse Black Friday sale... where people are beating on the doors to rush in and pay more to get the merchandise.
 
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