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Enter the Dragon

I think you hit the nail on the head Phil.
 
Let's keep in mind that Dragon is (likely) redefining cinema standards and, as such, we should consider only the very best in cine lenses when it comes to assessing Dragon's place and potential in cine craft, and all that that implies. At this point I'm not interested in which Voigtlander might work, or which S35 designs might be "good enough", and I know no one is going to show up on a Ridley Scott set with a Dragon and my battery of FF cinevised Nikon AI-s lenses.
Let's consider where Dragon's purported sensor size sits in this context, not to mention the possible implications of its off the charts DR, when it comes to optics. There are surely lenses that will work, however, I think there is something else going on behind the scenes at red. Things that might modify our views on this. ( :
 
Bill Anderson said:
Let's keep in mind that Dragon is (likely) redefining cinema standards and, as such, we should consider only the very best in cine lenses when it comes to assessing Dragon's place and potential in cine craft, and all that that implies. At this point I'm not interested in which Voigtlander might work, or which S35 designs might be "good enough", and I know no one is going to show up on a Ridley Scott set with a Dragon and my battery of FF cinevised Nikon AI-s lenses.
Let's consider where Dragon's purported sensor size sits in this context, not to mention the possible implications of its off the charts DR, when it comes to optics. There are surely lenses that will work, however, I think there is something else going on behind the scenes at red. Things that might modify our views on this. ( :
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It's not about the camera or lenses, it's about the person behind them. Ridley Scott could have shot Prometheus with Canon lenses and no one would have realized that.

Red has said that there will be no new Red lenses (maybe ever). They are concentrating on cameras full time now.
 
Josh Snyder said:
It's not about the camera or lenses, it's about the person behind them. Ridley Scott could have shot Prometheus with Canon lenses and no one would have realized that.

Josh, you overlooked the context of my comments, we are talking about available lenses as far as the highest industry standards go. Of course Ridley Scott could have shot Prometheus on Canon lenses, heck, he could have shot it on pixie vision, but that has little to do with addressing the needs of an industry that is typically very demanding when it comes to optics. My point is, based upon the projected Dragon sensor size (still to be confirmed) it could very well be that cine lenses designed for S35 are rendered unusable. And that is something worth considering. This is conjecture at this time, of course, but I was interested in understanding RED's position on this as they push the boundaries out from traditional cine formats. Nothing too outlandish in that.
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I'm really looking forward to the official specs coming out for Dragon but I'm more than likely going to sit the upgrade out. My plans when all the Epic models were release was to get the FF35 Epic. To me that is what I want and what I can use to maximise the Canon and Zeiss lenses I have. Now if Dragon turns out to be a 6K FF35 sensor, which I kind of doubt, I'll be wanting to do that upgrade. I don't want to upgrade and then upgrade again just to get to where I want to be. The DR of dragon seems amazing and I'm sure plenty of people think that is the end all be all. But I would like to see that DR in a FF35 sensor.
 
Silence

Silence

....eering Silence on this ...When is the biggest question...???

Harcharan
 
Can someone explain why Scarlet isn't going to be able get the upgrade to Dragon? I understand the ASIC boards need to be changed out to match the Epic boards/specs but why can't they do it with Scarlet body?

I'm grateful that RED is pushing the envelope in a big way but I told & bought the Scarlet mainly for upgrading purposes to gain entry into the Dragon world - eventually, sure for a price.
 
I think the answer to your first question is for the engineers. I'm sure it quite complicated and the Scarlet body was never meant to do what the Epic does. The answer to your second question is, there is going to be an upgrade path or rather a trade in program and yes it will cost, but you can be sure it will be a better deal than selling your Scarlet privately and buying a new Epic.
 
Michael Burns said:
Can someone explain why Scarlet isn't going to be able get the upgrade to Dragon? I understand the ASIC boards need to be changed out to match the Epic boards/specs but why can't they do it with Scarlet body? I'm grateful that RED is pushing the envelope in a big way but I told & bought the Scarlet mainly for upgrading purposes to gain entry into the Dragon world - eventually, sure for a price.
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My guess is that they can build a new Epic in minutes while it takes hours to gut the Scarlet, save a few Scarlet parts, re-assemble them with the new Epic parts, test, failed test, disassemble, search out the failed part, reassemble, test, test, test, then send back the Scarlet with a shorter-than-new warranty for a camera that may be more susceptible to a part failure. Much more efficient to just buy back the Scarlet, assemble a new Dragon Epic that is well matched internally. The Epic wouldn't present such problems due to fewer parts being switched out and the ones left are already turned to handle higher output than the Scarlet. One could say Scarlet owners may be the greatest beneficiaries of the new upgrade program because they will be getting a completely new and parts-matched Dragon. This is all supposed without any idea of price difference. Any way you cut it, I think we are going to be well-treated.
 
Dragon! Where are you?!?!?! <wink>
 
Shhhh Will you dont want that
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Falkor!

Is it true that the Dragon Sensor will have it's own IR filtering? What about in camera NDs?
 
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