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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon....

It sounds very impressive. Can't wait to get a new camera all over again.
Is the camera icon in the bottom left corner new, or have I been away from our Epic too long?
 
Which one go first? New order Dragon M first or update the old customers with Epic first?
 
Jarred Land said:
Remarkably even with all the extra horsepower, Dragon is running at about 56 watts in 6K @24fps loaded up vs. the Epic MX running at 61 watts loaded up @5k 24fps. So almost a 10% reduction in power.
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That's great news.

Also, the new GUI design is slick. Love where playback is now!
 
Jarred Land said:
Remarkably even with all the extra horsepower, Dragon is running at about 56 watts in 6K @24fps loaded up vs. the Epic MX running at 61 watts loaded up @5k 24fps. So almost a 10% reduction in power.
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getting better by the minute! 10% is huge for redvolts...

still trying to wrap my head around 16 stops DR anywhere from 200 to 2000 iso.....just looking at this from an old-time film standpoint this reads as something like: set the camera at 500 or 640 and you really almost can't clip shadows or highlights with a histogram that looks/reads just right....if there was such a thing as a histogram with film, i guess it was correct exposure back then....
either way: to me this sounds like shooting a black stallion on the beach backlit by the sun and getting detail in the coat while keeping the sun from clipping is finally doable:) too bad i will have to do all that work to get rid of all the flies that will show up with 6k resolution....
 
1. 6K to 4K Down-ressing for de-bayering and extra sharpness.
2. 6K stills
3. Extra latitude
4. More room for Shake Reduction when exporting to 4K
5. A sensor that actually benefits from extra heat (go figure)
6. Lets good glass shine - extra sharpness (much like Nikon D800)
7. 16 Stops from ISO200 to ISO2000. Bloody marvelous!

YEP! Sounds like a huge leap in sensor technology.
Congrats RED team!!!

Now where's that bloody-ruddy footage?? :drool:
 
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David Battistella said:
I am curious about file Sizes compared to 5k. Does the dragon pixel size make the file sizes smaller? Can you shoot higher compression ratios with cleaner results?

david
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Smaller pixel size does not mean smaller file size, a pixel is a pixel and 6000 pixels take up the same amount of space no matter how big or small they are.

For Reference, a Dragon 6K single R3D @ RC 5:1 is about 6.4mb. A 5K single frame R3D @ RC 5:1 is about 4.5mb.
 
This all sounds great, thank you for the DRAGON update!


Jarred, quick question, how does the RED Rocket handle the 6k files.....speed wise per minute of footage? Thanks!
 
I'm curious about aspect ratios. Is/will there a 1.78 6K format available? I think the specs on website list 2:1 and 2.4:1 - just curious.
 
James Lee said:
Which one go first? New order Dragon M first or update the old customers with Epic first?
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They are most likely only going by when you ordered Dragon. Epic-M and early Red One adopters (with an Epic-X) were the first ones allowed to order. This was a day or two before customers were allowed to order brand new.
 
To follow on to Mark's question, are we deep enough into the dev that we could get actual pixel counts for all the supported modes? Any chance of a 1:1.33 6K ANA option?

I'll understand if these inquiries are jumping the gun, but my curiosity is hard to tamp down ;-)

Cheers - #19
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
I'm curious about aspect ratios. Is/will there a 1.78 6K format available? I think the specs on website list 2:1 and 2.4:1 - just curious.
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If nothing has changed the Dragon sensor is a 1.94:1 aspect ratio at 6K Full. There was/will be a 6K 2:1, 6K HD, 6K ANA, and 6K WS defaults. However, it was mentioned that you would be able to "define or map" your own custom resolutions as well.
 
Jarred Land said:
Smaller pixel size does not mean smaller file size, a pixel is a pixel and 6000 pixels take up the same amount of space no matter how big or small they are.

For Reference, a Dragon 6K single R3D @ RC 5:1 is about 6.4mb. A 5K single frame R3D @ RC 5:1 is about 4.5mb.
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Yes, that understandable. But as was mentioned earlier ( I think by Jim), because of the Dragon's reduced noise level, it may be possible to run it with higher compression ratios, than with Epic without compromising the quality, resulting in smaller size files.
 
Phil Holland said:
If nothing has changed the Dragon sensor is a 1.94:1 aspect ratio at 6K Full. There was/will be a 6K HD, 6K ANA, and 6K WS defaults. However, it was mentioned that you would be able to "define or map" your own custom resolutions as well.
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I love flexibility as much as the next guy and like the idea of defining a custom pixel count at acquisition. That said, when exporting from RCX-Pro I sincerely hope that any non-standard output format be VERY clearly marked "danger Will Robinson" or something to avoid headaches in NLE and finishing environments. I would further suggest that the camera format GUI only show formats that are supported natively by popular post tools so less technically sophisticated shooters don't create unintended issues. Asking hard cores to drill down to a custom menu when one of the 19 or more "regular" formats isn't what they seek seems like a fair proposition.

Cheers - #19
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Source? I'd love to get that confirmed by one of the big guys :)
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Format options are a plenty.. there is a new matrix in the build that lets you adjust everything independently instead of scrolling through the list of 3 or 4 presets per resolution.
 
Jarred Land said:
o trust me I've shot quite a few ugly images... it just wasn't the camera's fault :)
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Ok, fair enough...I'm just wondering if the ugly images were the actual subject matter or a dial turned too far to the right...hehe
 
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