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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon....

Jarred Land said:
Smaller pixel size does not mean smaller file size, a pixel is a pixel and 6000 pixels take up the same amount of space no matter how big or small they are.

For Reference, a Dragon 6K single R3D @ RC 5:1 is about 6.4mb. A 5K single frame R3D @ RC 5:1 is about 4.5mb.
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Thanks for that! It clears up a lot. Great to know.


David
 
jake blackstone said:
Yes, that understandable. But as was mentioned earlier ( I think by Jim), because of the Dragon's reduced noise level, it may be possible to run it with higher compression ratios, than with Epic without compromising the quality, resulting in smaller size files.
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Thanks jake,

That is how I remembered it after you articulated it. But the i assume numbers Jarred posted are real word so we will see slightly larger file sizes, which does make sense in the r3d container.

But maybe 7:1 in 6k looks as good as 5:1 in 5k so maybe dragon is better at higher compression ratios.

David
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
I'm curious about aspect ratios. Is/will there a 1.78 6K format available? I think the specs on website list 2:1 and 2.4:1 - just curious.
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+1

5760 x 3240 would be a nice number, unfortunately exceeds the currently known vertical height of the sensor. Looks like 16:9 / 1.78:1 would need to be 5616 x 3160?


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Jarred Land said:
Format options are a plenty.. there is a new matrix in the build that lets you adjust everything independently instead of scrolling through the list of 3 or 4 presets per resolution.
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Nice. :)
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
+1

5760 x 3240 would be a nice number, unfortunately exceeds the currently known vertical height of the sensor. Looks like 16:9 / 1.78:1 would need to be 5616 x 3160?
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As Jarred noted, you will be able to dial in (almost) anything you like.

EDIT: I guess I got carried away :) here's Jarred's comment :

Jarred Land said:
not everything... you can't make illegal sizes that split the sensor columns in a bad way, but you will be able to get very close though then use frame guides to box it in.
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Can I ask about frame rates/resolution?

also read/reset time. Is it faster than MX Is the chance for skew pretty much gone? (Not that I have ever seen much of it normal situations)

david
 
David, the frame rates are defined by the horizontal lines of the image.
If you choose a smaller image in height, frame rates will increase.
 
Yes. I understand that,

just wondering what it's topping out at at 6k? If its over 72fps@6k I'd be pretty pleased.
Pleased as punch in fact.
David
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
+1

5760 x 3240 would be a nice number, unfortunately exceeds the currently known vertical height of the sensor. Looks like 16:9 / 1.78:1 would need to be 5616 x 3160?
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Let's wait for the official numbers, but my calculation led to 5618x3160. Either way, we're right in there.


David Battistella said:
Can I ask about frame rates/resolution?

also read/reset time. Is it faster than MX Is the chance for skew pretty much gone? (Not that I have ever seen much of it normal situations)
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If you want that "global shutter effect" there will be something called the Motion Mount.

In terms of the speed of the frame read out and potential for skew during faster pans, I have no idea what the hard numbers are.
 
Yes Phil,

i think it's a great idea but I am not certain i want to lose a stop after gaining a stop after gaining a stop or two (if you know what I mean) when the mx was first shown/released it had a fast read reset time and then that was dialed back a bit (if memory serves).

i think it's at 5ms with the mx chip and I am wondering if this one is slightly quicker. Im wondering if 1/2 frames on camera flashes, etc would be eliminated.

I know the motion mount will do this, but I am also curious about the raw sensor when it ships.
 
I second that Motion

I second that Motion

I'm not sure everyone grasps what a huge deal the motion mount could be. While Phil's reference to the "global shutter effect" is probably as close an example as most people are familiar with, from a physics standpoint its quite a bit more. As things like resolution, DR, color precision, etc improve, temporal aliasing and blur characteristic become even more prominent. Really looking forward to doing some A/B testing when it ships.

Cheers - #19
 
Phil Holland said:
If nothing has changed the Dragon sensor is a 1.94:1 aspect ratio at 6K Full. There was/will be a 6K 2:1, 6K HD, 6K ANA, and 6K WS defaults. However, it was mentioned that you would be able to "define or map" your own custom resolutions as well.
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Hi Phila nd Jarred,

Any favorite, proposed/available matte boxes that will allow, say 8mm at even 5K Full/6K Full?

Thank you very much

Fury
 
Patrick Grossien said:
As Jarred noted, you will be able to dial in anything you like.

EDIT: I guess you found it while I was typing :)
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not everything... you can't make illegal sizes that split the sensor columns in a bad way, but you will be able to get very close though then use frame guides to box it in.
 
Whoops, sorry. I guess I got excited :) edited my post. Thanks for clarifying
 
what about new EPIC M Dragon orders?? Will they ship immediately in September??
 
Phil Holland said:
Fascinating. After working with Mysterium-X for some time I sort of stopped visualizing things in terms of ISO and ASA for some reason and focused more on captured dynamic range and where I would like to place my targeted midtones. Which is why I never really loved the ISO 320/800 debates over the last couple years. There was a ceiling and a floor and room in the middle. Now it sounds like there's a lot more room.

That's a bit over 3 stops of room between 200 and 2000 ASA. I like that.
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Phil, we are finally getting an Epic in the next week or so. Would you mind explaining more in depth about how you do this or link to a prior post where you have? Don't want to get this thread off topic. Dragon sounds awesome. That is why we chose RED, way ahead of the curve and in another atmosphere altogether.
 
Jarred Land said:
Is done.

Dragon will likely win the award for the most suitable name ever given to a product. Its been quite the beast to tame, with quite a few fires started along the way.
----snip---
It's time to finally let the Dragon out of the cage.
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Ok, Jarred so let's go Dragons head-to-head. Komodo Dragons, that is. I hope to have mine by November when I'll be in Komodo.

Dragon v. Dragon
Dragon does Dragon
Dragon on Dragon

I see a new ad campaign - or at least a thread... he he he.

Bring it...
 
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