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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon and Leica lenses...

Carlo Rho said:
We've ordered our set of Summilux-C just before NAB '11 and hopefully they will be delivered next september...
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Best of luck with that Carlo,

hopefully they wan't do to you what they are doing to me... Saying that they can't find a reservation, were I was supposed to get my first set last June...

We'll have to pay a visit in person and talk to the Head at Band Pro, as this is completely unprofessional on their part!



Now looks like my new order will not be do till mid 2014 :(


Yet I am still very grateful about the Leica Summilux Cine Prime loaner during the OctoberFest shoot form the guys in Munich, I guess some one no longer works there, that is my only explanation, when they seemed so excited about me getting a set as they sure knew the advertisement I would give this lenses.
 
Hi Ketch,
I hope your order went now fine, they can't loose mine becouse I've paid 6450€ in 2011 for the reservation and they can't loose the money!
Actually they wrote me in January as they were ready for june and in june they push it to september, I hope they don't push them again because my DoP wants them badly and money are so cheap right now at least in EU.
I know the ex-sale rep of BandPro Munich moved to Codex last year, great guy, but I keep in touch with the new head at BandPro and he doen't sound proud of Leica's delivery times so I believe it's a production problem or he's covering sales to people with tons of €€€$$$€€€ to jump the cue, I can be angry about it but I can't compete.
 
Well, it went all but fine, but I'll take it up to them i person as I can, either in Germany, or in LA when I get there.


Pushes back in delivery dates are a given this days, and that is completely understandable, no issues there, my issue is that you can't loose some one's reservation... Period!


I actually was going to make a trip to Leica Manufacturing before coming back to LA, let's see if I make it, and if they let me shoot some Epic footage there.. ;)
 
KETCH ROSSi said:


Best of luck with that Carlo,

hopefully they wan't do to you what they are doing to me... Saying that they can't find a reservation, were I was supposed to get my first set last June...

We'll have to pay a visit in person and talk to the Head at Band Pro, as this is completely unprofessional on their part!



Now looks like my new order will not be do till mid 2014 :(


Yet I am still very grateful about the Leica Summilux Cine Prime loaner during the OctoberFest shoot form the guys in Munich, I guess some one no longer works there, that is my only explanation, when they seemed so excited about me getting a set as they sure knew the advertisement I would give this lenses.
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Did you put down a deposit for the reservation?
 
The first reservation was done in person at Band Pro Munich.

Fact is that my June 2013 delivery date is no were to be found in their files, they told me, so now I have june 2014 delivery date... Really sucks... :(


I don't know if I should post the original paper work here, so I don't but... Just look at the dates... At the end this might very well be a case of completely misunderstood misrepresented protocol of execution, either way it sucks that they can't find and acknowledge the first order, but at the end of the day, I love the Leica S. Cine Primes os much that all this means no difference to me, I'll go to what ever end in order to make sure I get what I need when I needed... And film "The RED dress" Movie on Dragon and Leica... Beside the 4K results of the Motion Picture I just can't wait of the results in the Extra large Prints that will come out form this combination;)
 

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Nick Morrison said:
Does that mean they are full frame?
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That's a stab in the dark but I guess they mean they RESOLVE 8K - probably within Super 35. 5K/6K as a physical size or in a lens coverage sense is after all unique to RED and these lenses are designed for all PL-Mount Cameras.

Just my 2 cents, though... Exciting times!
 
What Martin said is correct. They are marketed and designed to resolve up to 8K of detail. However, that concept is a rather subjective one.
 
We've had our set for over a year now and love them. We would be happy to help out on any Dragon test in the Hollywood area that need a set.
 
I do hope the Summicrons are readily available soon. As much as I would love to own the Summilux-C high speed set, I doubt I could secure enough credit facility to acquire them.

IIRC there will be a set of 6 Summicron's (18mm, 25mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, and 100mm) for $95K once they're shipping, still a lot of bank but easier to reach, and quicker to ROI, than $200K for 8 Summilux-Cs. Hoping the 18mm can cover the entire area of the Dragon at 6K...

Cheers - #19
 
Jim, im wondering if you plan to upgrade RPP lens model to cover RED Dragon as well.

R
 
Hi Bob, the question is not about affordable lens. Apart from Master Prime and Leica Summilux C, i "assume" that other type of lens will have problem covering FF35 Dragon. Especially zoom and UP, Super Speed. I thought since RED produces their own lenses as well, they "might" do something so their lens can be compatible with their own Sensor design. But you are most probably right.

R
 
I hear you. That's why the Dragon can do 5.5K to accommodate those lenses. Remember why RED made their own lenses to begin with - to make affordable PL lenses for the masses. RED have already hinted that making lenses is not a priority or a necessity any more. Also, you might what to check out the Digitaloptik Converter

RivaiC said:
Hi Bob, the question is not about affordable lens. Apart from Master Prime and Leica Summilux C, i "assume" that other type of lens will have problem covering FF35 Dragon. Especially zoom and UP, Super Speed. I thought since RED produces their own lenses as well, they "might" do something so their lens can be compatible with their own Sensor design. But you are most probably right.

R
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Hi Bob, i notice that as well. it seems great but i sent them email for further questions but no feedback so far. I asked about more lens compatibility, there's no prime lens in the list.

R
 
Hi David, but this is inevitable right? Dragon sensor size is very close to Vista Vision format. Im sure you know more than me about lenses being made mostly for S35 format. Phil posted about lens and sensor coverage before and i thought most aware of it.

But i do feel a little annoyed as well if Leica and MP being the only one that can cover Dragon sensor.

R
 
Zeiss and I'm sure many more are making FF zooms and lenses.

http://lenses.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/en_de/cine_lenses/compact_lenses/compact_zoom.html

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Compact zooms and primes from Zeiss are the same still lenses but in a better housing. Way overpriced IMHO. Schneider is releasing the Cine Xenons, FF T2.1, made for digital cinema cameras like Dragon in mind. They will be cheap. Let's hope they are good too. They look good though.
 
While the Zeiss CP.2 (and Canon CN-E Primes) are essentially rehoused still lenses with different coatings, the Zeiss Compact Zooms are brand spanking new designs and are essentially the first "cinema minded" zooms for VistaVision (FF35) sized sensors. These are alarmingly high quality as well. They are currently working on their wide to accompany this set.

Not a big fan of the CP.2s really and I agree that the Scheider Xenon-FF are likely a better value, but the CZs are really great zooms.
 
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