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Dragon and Leica lenses...

I still can't get over how good the Leica-M and Mysterium-X combination can look sometimes.

Not the best example of what I'm talking about, but indicative (to me anyway) of the magic RED and Leica together can reveal in even the most mundane subject-matter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgSBXwD8Nok

It's mind-boggling to think how amazing Leica C/Dragon generated images could look.

( No doubt I could make them look like shit, but that's not the point.)

Nice to know the current pinnacle of lens and camera technologies are compatible and ready to go.

Thanks.
 
Les Hillis said:
I still can't get over how good the Leica-M and Mysterium-X combination can look sometimes.

Not the best example of what I'm talking about, but indicative (to me anyway) of the magic RED and Leica together can reveal in even the most mundane subject-matter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgSBXwD8Nok

It's mind-boggling to think how amazing Leica C/Dragon generated images could look.

( No doubt I could make them look like shit, but that's not the point.)

Nice to know the current pinnacle of lens and camera technologies are compatible and ready to go.

Thanks.
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Leica M lenses are interesting. Rangefinder lenses, because they sit closer to the negative, I believe are able to deliver a level of clarity that is very, very intriguing.
 
I still think that my statement "Ain't nothing like Master Primes" holds true.
Those cine Leicas come very close, though.
 
The Summilux-C, the ones we own, are the Cine lenses Jim is referring to in this thread and have a 3 year wait. At this point we are missing the 16mm and the 65mm.

Andy Roberts said:
Summilux or Summicron? I see on your site that you have Summilux. I think they were talking about the newer "value" priced (cough, cough) Summicron.
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I'm happy, Dragon, fast glass = see in the motherfucking dark!!

Phil Holland said:
I haven't seen anything except for the initial prototypes out in the wild. I'd say you've got a bit of a wait before you see a full ranged set.
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Jannard said:
I have to say they we have tested just about every combination of lenses with the Dragon sensor and the Leicas win.

This really should be no surprise.

All the Leicas cover the full sensor and have the most resolution of all lenses tested.

While some lenses will necessitate dropping down to 5.5K to cover... the Leicas don't. The resolution of these lenses are completely matched with the Dragon sensor.

Just sayin'.

Jim
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Jim,

Really fantastic news. While looking forward to the opportunity to try the Leicas out for the first time myself, you have piqued my curiosity.

While testing "just about every combination of lenses with the Dragon sensor", can you share any notes (perhaps a chart) that shows what lenses cover what?

I don't think anyone would mind a "work in progress" - we won't tell! (promise)

Any results you can share on how the Pro Primes worked with the Dragon?
 
I wonder what a Noctilux cine modded would do on a Dragon? Shoot in pitch darkness without noise lol?
 
Nick Morrison said:
Leica M lenses are interesting. Rangefinder lenses, because they sit closer to the negative, I believe are able to deliver a level of clarity that is very, very intriguing.
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Colour me intrigued for sure. I'm fascinated by the similar results the Zeiss glass can give too, some good examples of which can be seen in that Contax thread of yours (thanks for that).

For Leica to have matched or even bettered that quality of imagery though, while overcoming the mechanical problems stills glass has when capturing moving pictures, really is an achievement.
 
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The short answer to Nick's quote above is that almost all FF35 lenses are a inverted telephoto design (until you get up into the true telephoto designs) because they had to clear the SLR mirror, and the Leica rangefinders did not. If you follow the new digital M series over the last few years, they have had their problems with the rear element being "close" to the sensor, and have had to take that into consideration when designing the newest chip (and I think the micro-lens covering of same).
I talked to the Leica guy at NAB, and he said the Summicrons will cover Dragon (but not 8k, which we don't know anything about yet, especially the possible dia. of any possible chip, did I say possible?).
Ken Robings
digitaloptik.net
 
I wish someone would make a set of Leica's with a pricetag like RPP's... :)

There's a problem worthy of a genius billionaire!
 
Ken Robings said:
The short answer to Nick's quote above is that almost all FF35 lenses are a inverted telephoto design (until you get up into the true telephoto designs) because they had to clear the SLR mirror, and the Leica rangefinders did not.
digitaloptik.net
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Exactly. It's not uncommon to find stills guys who say rangefinder systems are amongst the sharpest they've ever worked with. Certainly sharper than standard SLR setups...again presumably because of how CLOSE the optics get to the negative. This closeness does seem to have encountered challenges in the transition to digital, but in theory...if everything works well together...these lenses could be a very interesting pairing with Dragon.
 
We've ordered our set of Summilux-C just before NAB '11 and hopefully they will be delivered next september with our Dragons, it's pretty funny how 2 always delayed companies sync for us after almost 3 years.
I'll need 120.000€ but an other guy in Madrid is spending 120.000.000€ for Bale and that means tons of jobs!!!
So if you're coming to Madrid to shoot Gareth and/or Cristiano we're the only company that can offer you Dragons+Leica+Qtake+everything you could need.
Remember we're ILL Cámaras but our stuff is pretty sane!
 
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