DJI Ronin-MX

[shashbugu]

shashbugu - one thing DJI is good about is afordable price as they produce in masses in their own country. probably 99% of other boards and stuff have to come from china to US, pay a higher paid employs and then put together into a product that is more expensive. DJI doesnt care so much about customer service as westeren companies,... but people are willing to take the risk.
for the work i do its easier to buy 3 ronins and when one brakes down just use another one for a month or two while i try to solve the problem with DJI, with Movi i can only afford one,...
same probably goes with RED vs chinese company.
the only major and really important thing is that they are lacking behind in knowledge how to make all the components work together perfectly (software) and on field experience. in a lot of prducts from DJI and similar companies you can see they have never seen a real film or commercial set from up close and dont know why its important where a power plug is or stuff like that

:thumbup1::thumbup1: I know right, price wise nobody can compete. In all fairness DJI's products have evolved very well. There's also a very large DJI userbase and internet community to act as support.

 

[Visar Sulejmani]

LOL Uros... ;o)

Indeed the R-MX is designed for the pro cine cameras like RED's DSMC & DSMC2 lineup and ARRI Alexa Mini, that require separate power source. This solution works rather well (powering the R-MX from its own smaller M-type battery and powering the camera from the larger "normal" Ronin type battery). I am actually planing to test how long will the RED run with the smaller M-type battery - which will reduce the weight even further. This might be especially relative to the Raven...

The horizon drift is a thing of the past - for as long as you have the R-MX on the M600. The gimbals on their own are never designed to handle lateral G-forces. They need the data feed from a dedicated controller built for G-forces - like the A3. Note that the cost of the A3 is half of the R-MX all by itself. My guess is that they might in the future release a dedicated version of the Ronin for high-speed operations (shooting from variety of vehicles) where G-forces are the norm and it will have something like the A3 built in. One can wish... ;o)

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Can't wait to see that, as I'm going to buy a Gimbal for my Raven. I would be nice to see how you rig the system up, especially battery wise.

Thanks in advance

 

[Michael Dalton]

Now I can finally share that we have been testing both the M600 (with the new A3 controller) and the Ronin-MX since March. The M600 flies great and it is super smooth and stable. The Ronin MX really takes things to another level with the direct integration with he M600 - this eliminates the horizon drifts induced by the lateral G-forces in turns. For now we have been testing it with the Scarlet-X, Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 and the 50-100 f/1.8 and the DJI Focus. Can't wait for our Raven and more tests with Weapon and CF Epic. We will report back soon along with footage to share...

:sifone: Peter

Nice Peter! Maybe we can use this to film the aftermath of Sakurajima later this year!

 

[Phil Moreton]

What about load weight tho?

The original Ronin could take 16lbs (7.25kg).
This new Ronin-MX can only take 10lbs (4.5kg).

I can't remember what my Epic load was for gimbal use but it must be near that Ronin-MX limit of 10lbs / 4.5kg.
- Red Epic Dragon 2260g
- SSD Card 95.25g
- Schneider Xenon Prime 1100g
- RT Motion Motor 212g
- RT Motion Receiver 118g
- Paralinx Arrow with shield and all cables 176g
- BT Atom Mattebox 98g without shade

So if we use the new battery system that is on the gimbal it would be aprox:
Total: 4059.25g / 8.94lbs

This is of course minus any filters, cables for RT Motion, Ronin plate and 15mm rods, top plate (if you use one)

Anyway, it is getting close to its maximum load of 10lbs.

What do you guys think about this weight difference?


Also the mounting to the top handle or other 3rd party accessories such as the ones made by cinemilled, is it the same mini dovetail mounting type?

 

[Uros Zuraj]

What about load weight tho?

The original Ronin could take 16lbs (7.25kg).
This new Ronin-MX can only take 10lbs (4.5kg).

I can't remember what my Epic load was for gimbal use but it must be near that Ronin-MX limit of 10lbs / 4.5kg.
- Red Epic Dragon 2260g
- SSD Card 95.25g
- Schneider Xenon Prime 1100g
- RT Motion Motor 212g
- RT Motion Receiver 118g
- Paralinx Arrow with shield and all cables 176g
- BT Atom Mattebox 98g without shade

So if we use the new battery system that is on the gimbal it would be aprox:
Total: 4059.25g / 8.94lbs

This is of course minus any filters, cables for RT Motion, Ronin plate and 15mm rods, top plate (if you use one)

Anyway, it is getting close to its maximum load of 10lbs.

What do you guys think about this weight difference?


Also the mounting to the top handle or other 3rd party accessories such as the ones made by cinemilled, is it the same mini dovetail mounting type?

Phil this is what happens:
- you use their DJI Focus - i know its not better then RT (i love RT) so you loose a bit of cables and receiver
- use MotionMount so no mattebox needed in 90% of the times (only for special filters)
- paralinx or other video transmiton components can be moved to the handle,...

and then you are super safe but this is the way working with gimbals go... you have to go light if you want to work a lot and be mobile... there is still the original Ronin or Movi M15 when you need heavy setup. but for small setups you go small and i think MX will handle that. and remember most people sill uses small lenses like rokinor, canon EOS or leica,...
its a gimbal for medium category. it fits perfect into what i do - extreme sports and a lot of airplanes where every kilo is important

 

[Phil Moreton]

Phil this is what happens:
- you use their DJI Focus - i know its not better then RT (i love RT) so you loose a bit of cables and receiver
- use MotionMount so no mattebox needed in 90% of the times (only for special filters)
- paralinx or other video transmiton components can be moved to the handle,...

and then you are super safe but this is the way working with gimbals go... you have to go light if you want to work a lot and be mobile... there is still the original Ronin or Movi M15 when you need heavy setup. but for small setups you go small and i think MX will handle that. and remember most people sill uses small lenses like rokinor, canon EOS or leica,...
its a gimbal for medium category. it fits perfect into what i do - extreme sports and a lot of airplanes where every kilo is important

I think I'll wait till the DJI Ronin-MXL comes out then ;-)

What support vests are people using these days for our gimbals? So much to choose from. I'm quite disappointed with my EasyRig, Flowcine Serene arm setup so thinking of getting rid of it and getting something else.
Options? Ready Rig GS or Exoskeleton?

 

[Uros Zuraj]

If i work i try to work without. Steady cam is still the way to go for longer shots. but it doesnt work when you hang out of a car,...
But if you dont like Easyrig and serene... i only read good things about ActionProducts exoskeleton. The french one kinda went quiet, not a lot of videos online or reviews,...

 

[Phil Moreton]

If i work i try to work without. Steady cam is still the way to go for longer shots. but it doesnt work when you hang out of a car,...
But if you dont like Easyrig and serene... i only read good things about ActionProducts exoskeleton. The french one kinda went quiet, not a lot of videos online or reviews,...

Those exoskeleton's are quite pricey tho.
The ready rig gs could be a good option. Looks like it gives you the same control as if you were hand holding without any rig. Something that I greatly miss when I use my Easy Rig with Flowcine Serene option.

Ready Rig GS

 

[Shawn Nelson]

What I can't figure out is what's included in the box and what I'd need to add to have a good working package with my Dragon. Any word on that? The pictures clearly show rear battery plate and battery, but I thought I read somewhere today that they aren't including that rear plate or battery, which would mean their photos are wrong.

 

[Abiodun Shote]

What I can't figure out is what's included in the box and what I'd need to add to have a good working package with my Dragon. Any word on that? The pictures clearly show rear battery plate and battery, but I thought I read somewhere today that they aren't including that rear plate or battery, which would mean their photos are wrong.

No, they are not including the rear plate or the battery. Its stated in the faq section. I'd say the following will be a working package:
3 x (or 2)Ronin - Intelligent Battery (4350mAh) to power your camera
2 x (or 1) Ronin - 57W Battery Chargers for charging the batteries above, the charger that ships with Ronin can only charge the battery that powers the Ronin
2 (or 1) x Ronin - Red power cable
Ronin battery power distributor

So, depending on how frequent your gimbal use is will determine the final number of these extra accessories you need. I once read somewhere the 4350mah battery powers Dragon for about 60mins and takes about 90mins for full charge, so I say you budget for 3 of those. All these should run you north of $800 or more

 

[Björn Benckert]

If i work i try to work without. Steady cam is still the way to go for longer shots. but it doesnt work when you hang out of a car,...
But if you dont like Easyrig and serene... i only read good things about ActionProducts exoskeleton. The french one kinda went quiet, not a lot of videos online or reviews,...

Just got the Tilta Armor man II... this shit makes me able to do takes that are hours long no problem more steady than most steady cam operators... and I´m just a post guy fiddling with these things, imagine if somebody actually put some effort in and put a few years experience on their craft then Im sure gimbals will out preform steady cams no doubt.


https://vimeo.com/163396717

This was just me running the camera when going from the spot where we where filming to the car. Without even really trying, but Armor man takes the steps away and ease on the arms, I can easily do the same with only one hand.

 

[Eric Santiago]

Okay I am excited about this cause my Current Ronin setup is not working and it has good days and bad days...

This is why I stayed on the fence with this tech.

I hear too many negatives and always opt to just go by hand/shoulder/steadicam.

Is this tech getting better and I dont mean just DJI.

Cant comment on Movi, dont see much complaining about them in RU.

 

[Matt Ryan]

This is why I stayed on the fence with this tech.

I hear too many negatives and always opt to just go by hand/shoulder/steadicam.

Is this tech getting better and I dont mean just DJI.

Cant comment on Movi, dont see much complaining about them in RU.

That's cause everyone sold them for a Ronin... :thumb_postwhore:

 

[Eric Santiago]

That's cause everyone sold them for a Ronin... :thumb_postwhore:

Haha nice

Now Im reading up on the Tilta, you get to test one on the floor?

 

[Matt Ryan]

Haha nice

Now Im reading up on the Tilta, you get to test one on the floor?

No, was only at NAB Monday for about 3 hours, then back to LA. It was on the floor and people were playing with it. I just didn't have the time.

 

[Mike P.]

Is the tilta an exoskeleton or another gimbal?

I'm debating a Ronin-M due to the second-hand market potentially being flooded with them. Most likely use it with an DSLR, but if it could actually run a DSMC/DSMC2 consistently, I'd be pretty pumped.

 

[Brody_B]

Is the tilta an exoskeleton or another gimbal?

I'm debating a Ronin-M due to the second-hand market potentially being flooded with them. Most likely use it with an DSLR, but if it could actually run a DSMC/DSMC2 consistently, I'd be pretty pumped.

I doubt the market is going to get flooded with them any time soon. The MX is heavier and unnecessary for handheld only users. It looks as they are marketing it as a drone gimbal with handheld too.

 

[Daniel Kelly Brown]

I will be selling my ronin M and have already pre ordered the mx. Been flying my weapon on the m and I works great! But not all lenses work on it. MX is only 1lb heavier and built for red cams. Plus I like the looks of the two battery design.

 

[Björn Benckert]

Is the tilta an exoskeleton or another gimbal?

I'm debating a Ronin-M due to the second-hand market potentially being flooded with them. Most likely use it with an DSLR, but if it could actually run a DSMC/DSMC2 consistently, I'd be pretty pumped.

They do both. I have not touched their gimbal but it looks very good on picture / paper. But their EXO skeleton is excellent I was expecting some shitty milled aluminium stuff with bad springs etc as the price is only around 2k USD but it´s far from that, it´s a really well built bit of gear that really makes the difference. This weekend it was out for a shot where a rather small operator was running with it pretty much constantly, all setups where shot with the ronin. And they had the weapon with XL batteries, Large follow focus (AC did not want DJI focus, which was lame its possibly better than the one he had and far less weight) bolt, Mattbox, filters and a large cooke 25mm. Without the exo he would not have lasted until lunch the first day, now they did two long stressful days.

 

[Visar Sulejmani]

They do both. I have not touched their gimbal but it looks very good on picture / paper. But their EXO skeleton is excellent I was expecting some shitty milled aluminium stuff with bad springs etc as the price is only around 2k USD but it´s far from that, it´s a really well built bit of gear that really makes the difference. This weekend it was out for a shot where a rather small operator was running with it pretty much constantly, all setups where shot with the ronin. And they had the weapon with XL batteries, Large follow focus (AC did not want DJI focus, which was lame its possibly better than the one he had and far less weight) bolt, Mattbox, filters and a large cooke 25mm. Without the exo he would not have lasted until lunch the first day, now they did two long stressful days.

You wouldn't happen to have a larger version of that picture you uploaded, as I would really like to see how you rigged it up? Pleeeeeaaasssssse