Dec. 3rd responses here...

[Adam Rexroad]

This may have been something that I'm totally missing, but I haven't heard anything about yet...

Will RED offer a program that will allow you to trade in the new Scarlet brain for an even better Scarlet brain down the road? That'd be awesome for low budget guys who can only spend a little at a time. Be able to buy a 2.5K brain now and then buy the 7K brain down the road, but trade in your 2.5K brain for a full trade in value.

 

[Ben Ponce]

Why can we not see all pages on this thread...aggravating

 

[Cesar Souto]

" cheater "
hahaha, funny!

Keep up with the marvelous work

 

[Alexander Nikishin]

RED team, I think the real question now is how much will a fully functioning system cost?

Lens mount $
Bomber EVF or LCD (For those who don't already own either) $
Recording module $
Battery (For those who don't already own RED bricks) $
I/O module $
Support system (Base plate, Rails, etc.) $

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how much my 645 system will cost.

BTW, I undoubtedly will be upgrading to the Mysterium X to hold me over until 2010.

 

[Bruce Allen]

As for battery options...

Note that the older renders show a 2-battery on-camera module. The newer render shows a 3-battery on-camera module.

Guess they went for the 3-battery system?

The alternate is you can use the handgrip / controller battery? Probably not enough for cinema use, but it'd be nice if the RED can switch to that as a reserve when you're changing the main batteries (although I guess you have a reserve battery for smooth battery changes without power-down with the multi-battery module anyway?)

BTW, does this mean that real cheapskates (aka me recording dual system can forego the IO module if it's too expensive? If we can keep Scarlet on for a few hours at a time without shutdowns in between, then we can just point it at a TC slate at the beginning, and use the camera's internal time-of-day TC. You'd only have to manually sync when editing once for each time you switched the camera on/off.

Hopefully the IO module will be < $1000 and I don't have to entertain this crazy notion any longer.

Support system (Base plate, Rails, etc.) $

Based on track record, I'm more interest in Element Technica's price estimate for this than RED's

Go on RED, prove me wrong!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

RED team, I think the real question now is how much will a fully functioning system cost?

Lens mount $
Bomber EVF or LCD (For those who don't already own either) $
Recording module $
Battery (For those who don't already own RED bricks) $
I/O module $
Support system (Base plate, Rails, etc.) $

I'm just trying to wrap my head around how much my 645 system will cost.

BTW, I undoubtedly will be upgrading to the Mysterium X to hold me over until 2010.

^ DITTO but for the S35 Scarlet

I would love to know a bit more as info becomes solid enough to give us an idea of what you expect the rough cost of these to be.

I am very curious about the Bomb EVF and CF modules, and of course the I/O module module since most of us will end up getting it.

Anywho, please share more info on all of the other parts of the puzzle as soon as you get all of that work done... GET BACK TO WORK!!! Who said you could take the weekend off?!?! Holidays? Are you crazy?? Work work work!!!

And obviously, any sensor or RC info would be supa-sweet to hear as it becomes available.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

As for battery options...

Note that the older renders show a 2-battery on-camera module. The newer render shows a 3-battery on-camera module.

Guess they went for the 3-battery system?

The alternate is you can use the handgrip / controller battery? Probably not enough for cinema use, but it'd be nice if the RED can switch to that as a reserve when you're changing the main batteries (although I guess you have a reserve battery for smooth battery changes without power-down with the multi-battery module anyway?)

BTW, does this mean that real cheapskates (aka me recording dual system can forego the IO module if it's too expensive? If we can keep Scarlet on for a few hours at a time without shutdowns in between, then we can just point it at a TC slate at the beginning, and use the camera's internal time-of-day TC. You'd only have to manually sync when editing once for each time you switched the camera on/off.

Hopefully the IO module will be < $1000 and I don't have to entertain this crazy notion any longer.


Based on track record, I'm more interest in Element Technica's price estimate for this than RED's

Go on RED, prove me wrong!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

I think the I/O will have to be cheap enough for us not to consider something like the 702T which is a KILLER recorder which would sync up to Your Scarlet if it had any sort of timecode signal... what's weird is that the I/O module specs make it sound like there wouldn't be any sort of TC coming out of the Brain without the I/O...

The 702T records only two tracks, but it would be stand-alone, super-excellent quality, and you could have a mixer for lavs going into one channel and boom tot he other... you can easily score one for $2,000

If so... then we are being forced to purchase the I/O which means that they will have to make it affordable or risk having people bitch and moan a bit too much... I would say about or under $1000 is a given. Unless it offered 4 tracks, which could make it cost more... but in that case I wonder if there will be two separate I/Os.... one for 2 and the other for 4 channels... though that would probably be too much redundant R&D for this stage in the game... though later we might see it.

 

[Kyle Presley]

Whatever happened to the clapper? I jest, I jest.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

U mean partnering with the makers of the Clapper key-chain to allow RED cameras to roll and cut by clapping? YEAH!!! make it happen! That would totally make Pana and Sony jealous :w00t:

 

[András Puiz]

Then Retouche, you don't see the big picture.

Why should RED lower themselves down to SD cams when they're lowering professional cameras down into the hands indy filmmakers and film enthusiasts.

While you're kicking stones and griping that Jim doesn't love you, there are a thousand of us stepping up to accept this new technology happy that the day is finally coming where we can bring our dreams to light. We're stepping up to this challenge and look forward to making our films while you're kicking cans in the alleyway.

-Brian

Brian, please delete your post. Then I will delete this one as well. Don't clutter up the forum with inane insults that clearly show how you failed to comprehend my post. :angry2: Why are you even trying to compare indie filmmakers to true hobbyists with low personal budgets?!

My only point is this (and has been all along): if RED could come up with a way to deliver on the original brilliant idea of a $3000 camera, even at the cost of going down to 1080p in resolution, then it would do the world (and itself) a huge favor.

If it's feasible, I think it should happen.

If someone, I do see the big picture. I see a way for RED to diversify just a tiny bit, and capture a second market. Some people only see RED's original market of $20K-$100K systems. For those people, it seems pointless to whine about a $750 price increase. But for a lot of those people who are in that market, such an increase will be a dealbreaker.

 

[tony gardiner]

If someone, I do see the big picture. I see a way for RED to diversify just a tiny bit, and capture a second market. Some people only see RED's original market of $20K-$100K systems. For those people, it seems pointless to whine about a $750 price increase. But for a lot of those people who are in that market, such an increase will be a dealbreaker.

To be fair, there is NO price increase on the original scarlett. at NAB it was announced scarlett would cost 3k no mention was made that it would work out of the box with no purchase of accessories. Red usually gives prices for the body then as it is a modular system you kit it up to your needs.

$3750 for a camera that will do what it says it can will make a huge imapact on the market the HVX-200 (great little camera) is around $4500 and that only shoots HD (with pixel shifting!!) up to 60 fps.

 

[killfilm]

TC IN/OUT should do nicely with recorders

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

So RED isn't entering a very lucrative market after all.

The $3000 camera was just an idea that got killed off.

How did it get killed? The $3K price quoted early this year at NAB was no guarantee, nor was it stated to include everything needed to shoot with. Scarlet has evolved into much more camera since then too.

That's pretty sad, really. I wanted a RED camera.
Well, it was a nice dream while it lasted...

Maybe in 3-4 years, RED and I will meet in the middle after all.

OK... If a $750 diference between the currently stated price and the speculative ideal price of 8 months ago is going to make you hold off for 3 or 4 years, then, welll... I don't know what to say. What else would you buy and use in the mean time?

$3750 ready-to-shoot fixed lens Scarlet kits are going to sell like hotcakes.

 

[Caesar]

Hi there, Craig. . .

True, the Epic-X will have less compression, but I'm not convinced that's going to be a real benefit for quite some time.

Nope. I'm not convinced yet.

Same opinion.

 

[Jose Poernomo]

Which accessories are no longer carry forward to the epic/scarlet ?

Viewing the picture, RED Power Pack, Base Production Pack, cheese plate, handles, RED EVF cannot be used anymore.

How about the RED Drive ? will the speed be sufficient with REDCODE 250 ?


José

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Yes, I am sure the DSMC cameras will support auto focus. Clear indications of that? Here we go:

"Our auto-focus system will compete heads up with the very best DSLRs."
Jim Jannard
11/19/08

[...]

Well there you have it.

I remembered posts on the planned SLR. I wasn't sure if the Nov 13 "Everything has changed"/Scarlet reimagining had nixed it.

 

[András Puiz]

OK... If a $750 diference between the currently stated price and the speculative ideal price of 8 months ago is going to make you hold off for 3 or 4 years, then, welll... I don't know what to say. What else would you buy and use in the mean time?

Probably nothing. Or something way inferior, two or three categories lower. That's the sad part.

 

[Justin O'Neill]

Which accessories are no longer carry forward to the epic/scarlet ?

Viewing the picture, RED Power Pack, Base Production Pack, cheese plate, handles, RED EVF cannot be used anymore.

How about the RED Drive ? will the speed be sufficient with REDCODE 250 ?


José

Jim has said the only accessories that you won't be able to use with Scarlet and EPIC are the current CF module and the top mounts.

Everything else will work.

 

[Robert W. Loughlin II]

Whatever happened to the clapper? I jest, I jest.

Unfortunately, that's probably what I'll end up using...

$3750 ready-to-shoot fixed lens Scarlet kits are going to sell like hotcakes.

They are going to go like crazy...it's the perfect camera for a film student or amateur (when many students and amateurs are already paying $3000, $4000, even $6000 for a 1080p camcorder).

 

[Ryan E. Walters]

So maybe I missed this in the thread somewhere, but I have the following question about the upgrade path for the Red One-

If I were to upgrade the sensor in my Red One for $4,500 - would I then be able to shoot 5k at up to 100 FPS and have Redcode 250? Or would I be limited to 4k 30 fps and Redcode 36?