Dec. 3rd responses here...

[Leaf Baimbridge]

Is that todays announcement in it's entirety? Like is there still information to be released?

I personally don't see this as being anywhere near as important of an announcement as the 13th. Not by a long shot. I'm not dissappointed, it's just I was expecting wayyyy more to be released based on the hype. I'm not one to dream about these cameras day and night and do not get my hopes up too much. lol. Now if more information is released I guess I might change my mind, but for now...why such hype for just that?

I guess it just depends on how you look at it. From a technology standpoint, that's a pretty major announcement. 250 fps at 2K. I think when you see it on a screen in front of you, it will hit you.

 

[Paul Brand]

Is that todays announcement in it's entirety? Like is there still information to be released?

I personally don't see this as being anywhere near as important of an announcement as the 13th. Not by a long shot. I'm not dissappointed, it's just I was expecting wayyyy more to be released based on the hype. I'm not one to dream about these cameras day and night and do not get my hopes up too much. lol. Now if more information is released I guess I might change my mind, but for now...why such hype for just that?

Adam, look at the specs again. Format options (not just 16:9) even on the fixed lens scarlet. FF1080p, Ramping, REDCODE 42. The electronic guts of the machine have been redone. The hardware/software core has made a tremendous leap.

paul

 

[sceneeast]

Does anyone know when the announcement for

Does anyone know when the announcement for

the cost of the modulars, accesories etc will be annnounced so we can figure out what it will cost to put different types of systems together?

Bob Demchuk

 

[K. Møller]

Adam, look at the specs again. Format options (not just 16:9) even on the fixed lens scarlet. FF1080p, Ramping, REDCODE 42. The electronic guts of the machine have been redone. The hardware/software core has made a tremendous leap.

paul

.... and prices have taken a drop. Bang! Now even more affordable!

 

[ScottPictures]

Dear Jim and Team,
I would like to sincerely say thank you for all your hard work. You are changing the whole industry for the better. Thank you for everything.

 

[Ben Ponce]

So 2/3" Scarlet brain, Nikon lens mount adaptor, my existing Nikon glass, a few Flash cards and I'm ready to shoot guerilla style out of box? Anyone else think this is feasible or am I missing something?

 

[K. Møller]

So 2/3" Scarlet brain, Nikon lens mount adaptor, my existing Nikon glass, a few Flash cards and I'm ready to shoot guerilla style out of box? Anyone else think this is feasible or am I missing something?

You'll probably need the CF module and a battery at the least.

 

[Paul Brand]

So 2/3" Scarlet brain, Nikon lens mount adaptor, my existing Nikon glass, a few Flash cards and I'm ready to shoot guerilla style out of box? Anyone else think this is feasible or am I missing something?

Audio

paul

 

[Justin Chin]

Holy Cow. There are a whole lotta posts about the latest announcements. It takes me all morning just to sift through this stuff and I haven't even finished reading them. No time to finish, I have business to do, images to make, life to live.

In short - THANK YOU RED TEAM. I've never felt so confident about the future of my investment. This is way more than any other camera company would do (and obviously you know this) for its costumers. Nothing's perfect but this is quite comforting.

I have to say that I thought the Red One was a sexy looking camera. You guys and outdone yourselves with the new design... it's just way, way, too sexy.

The coveting and waiting for release continues...

 

[Jaime Vallés]

Holy rusted metal, Batman! I just got around to seeing this announcement. All I can say is... Whoa. [/Keanu]

The 72fps burst in the 5K S35 Scarlet is pure gravy! Team RED: thanks for dreaming of the impossible, and actually having the talent and skills to pull it off.

 

[Adam Rexroad]

Adam, look at the specs again. Format options (not just 16:9) even on the fixed lens scarlet. FF1080p, Ramping, REDCODE 42. The electronic guts of the machine have been redone. The hardware/software core has made a tremendous leap.

paul

Yes, i guess you are right. I guess I was looking for more price related information, as well as more information on the modules. I do see what you mean tho.

I guess it just depends on how you look at it. From a technology standpoint, that's a pretty major announcement. 250 fps at 2K. I think when you see it on a screen in front of you, it will hit you.

Yeah, but in regards to the fixed lense or 2/3 scarlet the only advancements are in software. I guess I make that sound small, which is retarded. Thats huge!

 

[Brian Chapman]

I'm not saying anything here is an unfair deal. I'm fully convinced that every single camera RED makes and sells is a great deal.

RED simply does not enter low-end markets.

I think I know why we'll never see a $400 SD camcorder from RED, even if it might sell like hot cakes. RED would simply hate to make such a product. It would be off character.

A HD cam that blows everything else out of the water, on the other hand, would not be such a stretch. I wonder what Jim's market research data says, but my guess is that a $3000 RED HD camera might double RED's income.

A final word, and then I'll shut up. I'm only posting this because I think there's a chance that RED could make this camera, but is deciding against it. If so, I just wanted to put in my vote. That's all.

Then Retouche, you don't see the big picture.

Why should RED lower themselves down to SD cams when they're lowering professional cameras down into the hands indy filmmakers and film enthusiasts.

While you're kicking stones and griping that Jim doesn't love you, there are a thousand of us stepping up to accept this new technology happy that the day is finally coming where we can bring our dreams to light. We're stepping up to this challenge and look forward to making our films while you're kicking cans in the alleyway.

-Brian

 

[Richardvclark]

So 2/3" Scarlet brain, Nikon lens mount adaptor, my existing Nikon glass, a few Flash cards and I'm ready to shoot guerilla style out of box? Anyone else think this is feasible or am I missing something?

The focal length that you are used to with your Nikon's on a FF camera or even DX camera will be drastically different. Since you will only be using the very center of the glass, a standard lens becomes a long telephoto lens. I just don't see you being happy with this setup. The REDmini primes will be your best bet.

Richard

 

[Adam Rexroad]

Hey guys,

Sorry to bug you guys with a question like this, but where can I go to read up more on REDCODE, ramping, ff1080p, and stuff like that?

Thanks in advance...

 

[Jun-Dai]

So 2/3" Scarlet brain, Nikon lens mount adaptor, my existing Nikon glass, a few Flash cards and I'm ready to shoot guerilla style out of box? Anyone else think this is feasible or am I missing something?

I don't think you're going to want to use your Nikon glass for much other than very specific shots that you can't get otherwise. The 2/3" sensor is only going to use a very small portion of the lens (goodbye, wide angle shots!). For guerilla-style shooting, you'll probably want to get the one with the integrated lens, and for more flexibility you'll want to get the 2/3" brains and either the mini-RED lenses or a mix of those and some 16mm lenses from eBay/your local antique store.

 

[Richardvclark]

No one knows (well...outside of RED) what all the numbers in regard to REDCODE mean or how ramping will function. Full Frame (FF) 1080p will let you shoot using the full sensor keeping the focal lengths and DoF the same, but you will only be recording a 1080p stream as opposed to recording a 5k etc.

 

[Ben Ponce]

Good posts. So this brings up the question. What are the differences in audio/built-in mic and media storage capabilities between Scarlet 2/3" with fixed 8x lens and Scarlet 2/3" body only? I ask only because the fixed lens Scarlet is supposed to be ready to shoot out-of-box right?

 

[Steve Gibby]

As per the specifications sheet released, all the new RED electronic lenses announced have auto focus capability, and all but one of them also have image stabilization. If you read the spec sheet for mounts, it also states that the the camera mounts will have "power and intelligent lens data interfaces". Bottom line: yes - the DSMC line will feature auto focus for stills shooting. With Jim Jannard being a longtime professional stills photographer, my guess is that the auto focus on the DSMC line will be very fast and accurate.

You sure?

Autofocus is usually a camera side auxillary chip. Just because it has an interface and power doesn't mean RED will provide an autofocus chip. They provide power and interface so that you can control Iris and Focus using a remote. I don't think any of the RED cameras will actually support autofocus or autoexposure.

Yes, I am sure the DSMC cameras will support auto focus. Clear indications of that? Here we go:

"Our auto-focus system will compete heads up with the very best DSLRs."
Jim Jannard
11/19/08
http://205.234.135.241/forum/showthread.php?t=22453

Jarred and other RED Team members also confirmed auto focus for the DSMC line on various other threads in October and November. I keep a comprehensive archive of what RED Team members have posted on RED User about various subjects. I can copy/paste all those other references here if you'd like.

All but one of the new RED electronic lenses will also feature optical image stabilization:

"Let me expound a bit on the lenses... USM, optically stabilized (except for the 15-25mm zoom)."
Jim Jannard
11/19/08
http://205.234.135.241/forum/showthread.php?t=22453

Though you can shoot them manually if you wish, professional digital stills cameras routinely feature auto focus, support for optically image stabilized lenses, and also the option to use auto exposure. What made you think the RED DSMC line wouldn't have those features if it is positioned to compete head to head with other professional stills cameras? On auto exposure, I would expect at the very least for the Scarlet "Fly By Wire" fixed lens version to have auto exposure capability. Professionals in the EFP industry also routinely use some auto features (occasional auto focus and/or auto iris) when shots call for it - and beyond its obvious cine and stills capabilities, the DSMC line is obviously also targeted at EFP usage. Cine style users will undoubtedly use the DSMC line in all manual mode. Those of us who shoot all three styles - cine style, EFP style, and stills photography - will simply need to flip switches, and sometimes re-accessorize and re-lens, to begin shooting in a different style.

Back to the new RED electronic lenses. From the “PICK A LENS…OR TEN” page of yesterday’s announcement:

RED ELECTRONIC LENSES
(FF35 FORMAT)
15-25mm f2.8 AF
25-100mm f2.8 AF Stabilized
70-200 f2.8 AF Stabilized
300mm f2.8 AF Stabilized
1.4x Extender AF
2.0x Extender AF


Notice all those references to “AF” after those new lenses? That means “auto focus”, just as Jim Jannard described in his 11/19 post I linked above. They’re also stabilized, just as Jim described in his other 11/19 post.

So in summary, the founder of RED has clearly stated that the DSMC line would have auto focus capability, that all but one of the new electronic lenses would also feature optical image stabilization, and all of those new lenses in the just released announcement have “AF” in their nomenclature. In view of all this, and in answer to your questioning me if I’m sure about auto focus, well, yes I’m sure.


Being able to select and use tools like auto focus, auto iris, and image stabilization are routine occurrences for professional stills photographers, depending on the genre of pics we are shooting. If RED’s DSMC line is to compete with the DSLRs from Nikon, Canon, etc. they have to have the same features. RED knows this, thus the inclusion of those features in the DSMC line.

Will the DSMC line also have those features available in the motion mode, or will they be limited to the stills mode? We don’t know yet. The DSMC line has been designed to be configured for an extremely wide range of cine, EFP, and stills applications and genres. Its fine if someone doesn’t choose to use all the features, or work in all the genres the cameras can be used for. But if they do, the tools for that style of shooting will be in the cameras.

It’s going to take many people a while to wrap their heads around the production potential of the DSMC line. They will be media convergence cameras to the highest degree.

 

[Stu Mannion]

Autofocus is usually a camera side auxillary chip. Just because it has an interface and power doesn't mean RED will provide an autofocus chip. They provide power and interface so that you can control Iris and Focus using a remote. I don't think any of the RED cameras will actually support autofocus or autoexposure.

I'm interested in this too. Though the fixed lens Scarlet kit is undoubtedly an amazing film-replacement camera for the price and has certainly won me, there are a number of things this camera probably wont have. Features you may be used to that something like a HVX200 or an EX1 does have - a mic, balanced audio in (any audio in?), video out, firewire.

I'd imagine getting the extra I/O module which will give us much of the ins and outs but will the camera have auto-focus and Optical Image Stabilisation?

Amazing achievements all round regardless.

EDIT: Well it seems Steve above has answered much of this (thanks!). So looks like the fixed-lens will have OIS and auto-focus, and I'm sure it will have auto exposure (that's just software). Awesome.

 

[Adam Rexroad]

No one knows (well...outside of RED) what all the numbers in regard to REDCODE mean or how ramping will function. Full Frame (FF) 1080p will let you shoot using the full sensor keeping the focal lengths and DoF the same, but you will only be recording a 1080p stream as opposed to recording a 5k etc.

But if I want to look more into what the workflow for RED will be with my wedding business, as well as just more information about their programs, where should I go?