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DaVinci for Mac, game changer or game over?

I read somewhere that BM were saying at NAB that they are working on RED Rocket support in Resolve.

As mentioned in this thread, lets hope they get it out on the release in July
 
I asked the guy doing the resolve demo at NAB to show me the system profile of the mac he was running resolve on and it was a 4 core i7 with I think 8 gb of ram nvidia card and BM card, nothing more. realtime r3d play and color correct
 
shashbugu said:
M Most & Paul Buhl I'm not sure I clearly understand you.....I'm not sure why you guys think for a Red Project the mac resolve wont be adequate....It amazes me how people get excited about tools on the Linux platform. I know its more scalable but yikes!!! I leave that o the professionals like you M Most.
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When and where did I say that? The only thing I've said here is that the Mac has limited expansion slots, which means that in a typical configuration, it can't support Resolve as it's currently specified and still have a Red Rocket card (even if the software itself supported it), whereas the Linux version would normally be run on a much more expandable system that can be configured for a lot more real time computing power. And all of that is completely true, as pointed out by Blackmagic themselves.
 
Arttie Puig said:
I don't know...what is your point really? That Scratch is better? Maybe, but how much better? is it $74K better now? I mean, they use the same panels Apple Color does! And Scratch is a software, not a system, and it runs on Windows, you need a system to run Scratch, but they have no proprietary hardware.

As far as the Kona preference, I like Kona, maybe is a emotional preference, but now BM can do everything they do, and even stereoscopic, so if I had to buy one now, I'd go with BM.
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You keep trying to make this about A vs. B. My point - my only point - is that not every choice is made solely on price. Different people, different companies, and different businesses have different criteria that leads to their product choices. That's why there are different products at different price points that may have similar functionality but different characteristics that appeal to those who need them.
 
What about Cineform from the SI 2K and RAW files from Weiscam? I don´t think Scratch supports that either.

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to say it as simple as possible...software ALONE is irrelevant when it comes to moving heavy data rates around. I've worked with HD 100-200mbps, 4K R3D 300-400mbps, 2K DPX 2-3gbps in Apple work-flows with quads and eight cores, and proprietary Smoke and DaVinci environments. To work with 4K R3D and 2K DPX efficiently you need the muscle in your hardware. Other than that, I agree that the software revolution is the best thing that's happened and is driving prices down allowing more creativity, all of that. It's each individuals preference when it comes to which piece of software best meets their needs ie editing, grading, compositing, conforming, and what they are willing to spend.
But there is no way around the hardware investment to work with data rates in the 400mbps to 3gbps range.
 
and here it is, right from the DaVinci Resolve site:

Computer based solutions are always limited to the computer you’re running on. DaVinci Resolve when running on Linux smashes this limitation, because it’s based on a cluster of Linux computers with high performance GPU cards, so all processing is always real time. This means DaVinci Resolve Linux has all the power of a super computer for the real time performance you need when you're in a room full of clients. Add dozens of primaries, secondaries, power windows, multi point tracking, blurs, and more, then just hit play. It always works!
Start with a single computer on Mac OS X for lower cost, then upgrade to Linux for extra power for high resolutions such as 2K or 4K, stereoscopic 3D feature films, or real time grading of raw RED files. It’s all possible with DaVinci because you can just add extra Linux computers and GPU cards via high speed InfiniBand connections. Only DaVinci Resolve scales up as your needs increase.
 
so the $1000 DaVinci Resolve software alone puts you in the same level of environment as Apple Color, then it's just a tools preference. To get the Linux license for the ability to expand the hardware power needed for real heavy lifting you need the control panel version at $30,000 and another $20,000 for the Linux license, now your back to $50,000 instead of the $1000 software solution.
 
Steen Linde said:
What about Cineform from the SI 2K and RAW files from Weiscam? I don´t think Scratch supports that either.
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Cineform is supported as long as you have Cineform's software loaded on your computer (you don't need the full Neo package, you just need the reader, which as I recall is a free download). Scratch can read both AVI and Quicktime files, which are the two choices when recording on a Silicon Imaging camera. As for Weisscam, the only devices I know of that can deal with their RAW files are their own box (as I recall, they call it the debayerbox), their own software, and Iridas' products, at least at the present time.
 
Fun thread - anyone else here think BM is modeling after SGO MiStika?

Mistika been rocking Linux and high end UK post for a couple years, but not in the US

They must be bummed at $200k (but it also has a killer 3D compositor)
 
M Most said:
You keep trying to make this about A vs. B. My point - my only point - is that not every choice is made solely on price. Different people, different companies, and different businesses have different criteria that leads to their product choices.
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OK, I get it, but this thread is about what companies like Assimilate, for example, will do in this current scenario.

You have to think that before BM made the announcement, there was Color in the lower end, Scratch in the middle, and then DaVinci, Baselight, Pablo, Lustre, and so on on the higher end. Scratch looked really good comparing the alternatives.

Now DaVinci took the middle place, the whole scenario changed, Pablo has more chances since they have proprietory hardware, but Scratch is just soft running on windows, that's the reality of it, it's just software. You pay the license and then you need to get a system to run it, and not for cheap.
How can you compete with BM now?
I only hope that they don't choose to deny it, it's a great software that I would love to see it grow.
 
Paul Buhl said:
so the $1000 DaVinci Resolve software alone puts you in the same level of environment as Apple Color, then it's just a tools preference. To get the Linux license for the ability to expand the hardware power needed for real heavy lifting you need the control panel version at $30,000 and another $20,000 for the Linux license, now your back to $50,000 instead of the $1000 software solution.
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Right, 50K soft + killer panel on Linux (expandable), against $75K (or 50K) soft only Scratch running on Windows (non-expandable). See the big difference?

Besides, even if its soft only, daVinci is far superior than Color as far as tools and capabilities.
 
LOL, I think Adobe should by Assimilate and make it a part of the Adobe Production bundle.

Hint hint Adobe.

I hope some one is listening.

That's a game changer.
 
scratch's new 5.1 software works just like The davinci resolve realtime debayer using the nvidia cuda.
 
It's funny to see people trying to compare Davinci Resolve to Color as a way of belittling it... LOL. You can try all you want but some of us know how to read a manual. The software only version is more powerful than Scratch, Speedgrade or Color. Yes Davinci Resolve does have conform tools and data management... Telecine grade. The Linux system version is comparable to a Baselight or Pablo as far as color grading and conforming is concerned. Yes... Davinci Resolve is a system... the software being the first part of the system. Scratch, Speedgrade and Color is not a system.
 
Andrae Palmer said:
It's funny to me to see people trying compare Davinci Resolve to Color as a way of belittling it... LOL. You can try all you want but some of us know how to read a manual. The software only version is more powerful than Scratch, Speedgrade or Color. Yes Davinci Resolve does have conform tools and data management... Telecine grade. The Linux system version is comparable to a Baselight or Pablo as far as color grading and conforming is concerned. Yes... Davinci Resolve is a system... the software being the first part of the system. Scratch, Speedgrade and Color is not a system.
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i agree completly.
last week da vinci was worth every cent for the big boys, now its the same like Color?

Dunno, sounds like bubu to me.
 
Paul Buhl said:
so the $1000 DaVinci Resolve software alone puts you in the same level of environment as Apple Color, then it's just a tools preference. To get the Linux license for the ability to expand the hardware power needed for real heavy lifting you need the control panel version at $30,000 and another $20,000 for the Linux license, now your back to $50,000 instead of the $1000 software solution.
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I think you're wrong on this part. From what lot of people saw at NAB, Resolve is real-time on HD and even 2K on DPX sequences (if you have the raid for), like a Luster or a Scratch. Sure, when your grade is done, you have to render if you don't have a SR or need a DPX graded for shooting or whatever. (you also have to render with luster or Scratch the same way...)

Color can't do realtime on DPX or 2K, wich is a fondamental difference for a colorist and the client behind and. Renders are incredibly slow. Resolve can do what real color stations can do that on the paper : that is the big change.

For high-end movies, I don't think it will change something. When your working on a 5 to 100 millions dollar film, a 300K$ station is not a problem. Features, HD TV programs are not working in this price range. And those markets are the everyday business for most of us. Resolve is targeted for that. My humble opinion.

Red changed things on that side. Difficult to see "high-ends" cam on many movies today, but Red and now 5D !! For 90%, it's a matter of cost for a beautiful quality at the end.
 
I've just finished reading Chapter 4 "The Conform Page"... wow... let me see the features to list:

1. Edit existing conform with tools such as Insert, Ripple, Roll, Slip, Trim
2. Create a new conform (option to export new EDL from edits)
3. Audio Conform Tools such as audio synchronization
4. Load multiple EDLs
5. Load offline clips for comparison

How can you compare this to Apple Color?
 
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