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Birger Lens Mount Reservations

lotar1 said:
Does he mean a dumb Nikon mount and a smart Canon or both ones in smart mode? I always thought the Nikon was supposed to take a lot longer.
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He already had a dumb Nikon mount weeks ago. But they made the decision to only ship intelligent mounts back then.

The news that the Nikon mount should ship in a couple of weeks is great news - but I would love to hear an update from the man himself before I really believe it :)
 
The Nikon better be a smart mount, otherwise why make it? Red already has a dumb mount with the back focus ability of the PL.
 
800+ posts... this thread is getting absurd. Can we have a birger subforum?
 
Q1: Is it possible to use Canon EF-S lenses? Will these not give vignetting on the RED sensor?

Q2: If I order a Birger mount today, how long will I have to wait?
 
JNAD said:
Q1: Is it possible to use Canon EF-S lenses? Will these not give vignetting on the RED sensor?
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The EF-S line of lenses was designed for Canon's 22.2mm x 14.8mm sized APS-C sensor. Red's Mysterium sensor is very close in size, measuring in at 24.4mm x 13.7mm. Apparently, some of the material linked to below was shot using Canon's 18-55mm EF-S kit lens.

parisrem said:
In case anyone hasn't checked the footage section lately, apparently this was shot with the Birger Mount:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10225

We'll have to hound him for more details.
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FYI, I called Birger a couple of days ago to update my credit card information on my order. They could not find my order, and so I had to fax it in again. I was told that, even having moved to the back of the line, that they expected mine would ship in 3-4 weeks.

I didn't ask too many questions (as I know they are busy), but I got the impression that once they start building the final assemblies (this week), that it will not take very long for them to get caught up.
 
kylemallory said:
FYI, I called Birger a couple of days ago to update my credit card information on my order. They could not find my order, and so I had to fax it in again. I was told that, even having moved to the back of the line, that they expected mine would ship in 3-4 weeks.

I didn't ask too many questions (as I know they are busy), but I got the impression that once they start building the final assemblies (this week), that it will not take very long for them to get caught up.
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Which version...Nikon?
 
Harmonica said:
The EF-S line of lenses was designed for Canon's 22.2mm x 14.8mm sized APS-C sensor. Red's Mysterium sensor is very close in size, measuring in at 24.4mm x 13.7mm. Apparently, some of the material linked to below was shot using Canon's 18-55mm EF-S kit lens.
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I didn't see the 18-55 EF-S mentioned in that post but maybe I missed it.

I do know the EF-S have some sort of key to prevent them from being mounted on non-EF-S camera bodies. If Birger didn't design that it then you won't be able to mount it.

I'd like to see a coverage test. Should be close.. but RED is 2.2mm wider. Would hate to see vignetting.
 
Birger definitely can use EF-S, even has the white dot.

Birger definitely can use EF-S, even has the white dot.

Birger definitely can use EF-S, even has the white dot that lets you align it properly to the bayonet before inserting and turning. (There is a RED dot for the regular EF lenses) EF-S capability was available even on their industrial mount - it is nothing new. The Ef-S 10-22mm is one of the critical lenses as it is one of the few still lenses that is truly superwide and rectilinear on the RED. Erik showed the 10-22mm EF-S on the prototype RED birger mount months ago.

BTW I sent my 17-55 EF-S F2.8 IS to Erik for him to test, since it is essentially an L series quality EF-S that gives you the range that the 24-70 would give on full frame. The advantage is it also has image stabilization which the 24-70 does not. It is F2.8 throughout and made to L quality optical specs and is a really nice lens.

joelnet said:
I didn't see the 18-55 EF-S mentioned in that post but maybe I missed it.

I do know the EF-S have some sort of key to prevent them from being mounted on non-EF-S camera bodies. If Birger didn't design that it then you won't be able to mount it.

I'd like to see a coverage test. Should be close.. but RED is 2.2mm wider. Would hate to see vignetting.
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AquaVideoRed206 said:
BTW I sent my 17-55 EF-S F2.8 IS to Erik for him to test, since it is essentially an L series quality EF-S that gives you the range that the 24-70 would give on full frame. The advantage is it also has image stabilization which the 24-70 does not. It is F2.8 throughout and made to L quality optical specs and is a really nice lens.
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Great news. Thanks for the feedback. This is one lens I was looking at because the reviews have been so good. Obviously it's got that short focus throw. How's the breathing? I'm assuming no vignetting issues, right?
 
Both, the EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM and the EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM are great lenses, but not at par with the full frame 35mm L series glass, it is true that the 17-55 with the IS has a bit of an advantage over the 17-40 L, as it gains extra stops do to the capacity of the IS system to shoot in lower then f/2.8 with great results.

Also as RED will not use the full range of the L series lenses do to the reduced sensor size vs, FF, but it is also obvious to many tests shot with both lenses on a 40D that L series glass does outperform all non L series glass, some in little details some quite a bit more visible, to very visible differences.


If in a budget, some glass non L can be substitute for L glass with great results, but if you want the best with no concerns for price point when going with Birger, then the solution is easy, GO L GLASS.


Also to remember is that any glass that has IS, is more complicated in design, it has more moving parts and more elements, so image quality always tends to suffer a bit.


One of the industry more notorious examples is the world most popular Canon ZOOM lens, the 70-200 2.8, here the IS version, is the most popular of the two, for its added benefit of IS, incredibly good in more keepers then the non IS version, but the non IS version however it has the advantage in Sharpness, even if of very little, but it does nonetheless.


If anyone will be interested I can do a comprehensive Canon Glass expose' of both non L and L glass, and which one could be replaced for the less expensive one.

Ciao
 
The M.O.B. (March on Boston)

The M.O.B. (March on Boston)

So maybe its time to organize it. Armed or Ghandi style? It's better an assault or a sit in?

P.s.
It is possible i'll arrive late cause i have to cross the ocean. Start without me no problem
 
Has anyone tested the bluetooth remote or the wired FF for that matter on a powered Birger? Just want to make sure this thing works before I pay for it. Hope the electronic/virtual nature of the FF expands the range of the focus scale like a cine lens has natively.
 
Joelnet,

when I say posting personal knowledge of various Canon Glass, I'm referring to lens vs. lens, and not Breathing tests as one, I don't have a Birger mount as yet and two, I haven't received my cameras as yet.

This was more an offering about giving a specific test knowledge of the various L series lenses, and the cheaper non L series lenses, to give people a way to get a full kit with the best glass for the money, spending less were all possible without penalizing image quality with RED/BIRGER.

Ciao
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
This was more an offering about giving a specific test knowledge of the various L series lenses, and the cheaper non L series lenses, to give people a way to get a full kit with the best glass for the money, spending less were all possible without penalizing image quality with RED/BIRGER.
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Sounds great Ketch. Love to hear it. That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. Thanks.
 
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