Trevor Meier
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Great idea Jarred. I could see this becoming a way of gauging interest in future products as well... people willing to put money down for products they believe in.
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Fully willing to do this.
I know in this new world of kickstarters and $500 3d printing machines many people have this weird impression that it is easy to make anything and everything without effort and expense. That's not a reality. Ask anyone that makes anything that needs custom electronics. Engineering time is valuable, and not unlimited. And making one thing from the list means we can't make another.
This reminds me a bit of the Optical Viewfinder. Alot of very vocal people said when we started that we could not sell a single camera without one. There were some persistent customers so we finally said sure, and asked for orders.... suddenly it was crickets.
We did this with LDS a few years ago. We asked rental houses and canvased some of our customers and they just said it wasn't important enough for the added expense. Everyone of course has an opinion and everyone thinks their opinion is always right, but if enough people put up their hands and we will proceed. Who knows... maybe times have changed. Now metadata is more important than it was back then. The Master Anamorphics are out now that are great. Whatever the case may be.. we can give it a go.
We can put a LDS mount up for preorder. It is likely going to be almost double the price of a normal mount because of anticipated volumes. If only a few of you order the price will stay that. If alot of you pre-order, then the price will come down. Just like the special order PV mount. Sound good?
Fully willing to do this.
I know in this new world of kickstarters and $500 3d printing machines many people have this weird impression that it is easy to make anything and everything without effort and expense. That's not a reality. Ask anyone that makes anything that needs custom electronics. Engineering time is valuable, and not unlimited. And making one thing from the list means we can't make another.
This reminds me a bit of the Optical Viewfinder. Alot of very vocal people said when we started that we could not sell a single camera without one. There were some persistent customers so we finally said sure, and asked for orders.... suddenly it was crickets.
We did this with LDS a few years ago. We asked rental houses and canvased some of our customers and they just said it wasn't important enough for the added expense. Everyone of course has an opinion and everyone thinks their opinion is always right, but if enough people put up their hands and we will proceed. Who knows... maybe times have changed. Now metadata is more important than it was back then. The Master Anamorphics are out now that are great. Whatever the case may be.. we can give it a go.
We can put a LDS mount up for preorder. It is likely going to be almost double the price of a normal mount because of anticipated volumes. If only a few of you order the price will stay that. If alot of you pre-order, then the price will come down. Just like the special order PV mount. Sound good?
http://www.arri.com/camera/alexa/learn/lens_data_system/What the heck is LDS??
Yes...
Question, though (and this comes out of ignorance), it's not possible to have a combo i-/LDS mount?
If I have understood things right (which I may well have not...) the pinning on the two is identical, which lead me to believe that this was mostly a software solution (yup I know what you said about development cycles and engineering time...), and that it was (as you suggested) a firmware upgrade.
Anyway, if it is a software/hardware thing, is it possible to have both in one mount?
I believe the major advantage of LDS is that post VFX people have frame accurate metadata to use when making their VFX assets or compositions. Thus making it easier to match.
Yes...
Question, though (and this comes out of ignorance), it's not possible to have a combo i-/LDS mount?
If I have understood things right (which I may well have not...) the pinning on the two is identical, which lead me to believe that this was mostly a software solution (yup I know what you said about development cycles and engineering time...), and that it was (as you suggested) a firmware upgrade.
Anyway, if it is a software/hardware thing, is it possible to have both in one mount?
So, do they offer a discount for post work done on LDS footage?... (assuming one doesn't do one's own post work)
So, do they offer a discount for post work done on LDS footage?... (assuming one doesn't do one's own post work)
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All the fuss is about efficiency. So low budget productions wouldn't really want to pay for that. But if you are paying for Master Anamorphics you probably do care enough about efficiency and then LDS becomes invaluable.
I don't know if i/ is more or less common than LDS but if a production wants to shoot on Cooke then they need i/. If they want to shoot on Masters then they need LDS. Blame the lens companies before you blame RED for that.
I don't work for RED so I can't tell you exactly why they picked one vs the other to support, but it may or may not have to do with the fact that LDS is an ARRI product. Whatever the reason is, I'm sure RED made what they thought was the best business decision and it seems to have worked for them so far.