ADOBE HAVE DONE IT !!!! REAL TIME R3D editing & grading on a LAPTOP!

[Jaakko Rinne]

Now, to really test this thing out, I did what I thought was impossible... I plugged into my Laptop a small Pocket drive VIA FIREWIRE800 with and hours worth of R3D's...
Opened up Premier CS6 and pulled in the files.... IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! I say! Im still able to edit and grade in real time ! from a dinky pocket drive !!!!! AMAZING!!!

This I think is brilliant, even though it is expected. Since you're only reading a quarter of the data from the RAW files, at 6:1 compression 5K at 1/4 res requires less data to be read from the hard drive than 1080p ProRes 422HQ would.

 

[Jaakko Rinne]

Hey Joseph,

Hows Melbourne ; ) Anyway no mystery about RG3/RC3 you just open it & edit it straight onto the timeline ...just select your viewing resolution 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 . There is no special plug in to load unlike Premier 5.5.....its painless. regards Mike

The only thing is that CS6 does not actually support RG3/RC3 yet. You're limited to REDColor 2.

 

[Mark Toia]

Problems...

I think we are right in the middle of a technology black hole.

My MacBook pro pretty much runs Better than my 8 core and 12 core towers.
The towers may render slightly quicker. But CS6 premier runs better on the laptop..

So the problem is... Laptop just needs a red rocket card or double the processing power and it's perfect.
The tower has the red rocket but the processors are so old compared to the i7... So you loose there.

Both can edit the r3ds smoothly. Bit once you start doing effects.. CS6 premier starts to clunk... and gets worse and worse..
Thunderbolt red rocket on the laptop will work a treat.
But a new processor on a tower, shit loads of ram and a red rocket in a
hopefully new Mac tower...coming out this year. Will save all of us that want to work Raw

 

[Mike Garrick]

@ Jaakko

Forgive me, you're entirely right I wasn't thinking.....apologies.

 

[joshua csehak]

I 100% agree with your amazement -- I feel the same way! It's so cool dropping an R3D into Premiere, and it just works! I feel like we're sooooo close to having a perfect workflow!

Here's what I'd like to see, maybe the guys at RED or Adobe can say if there's any chance of it happening?

A Redcine-X Pro Plugin for premiere and/or every feature in RCX being reflected in Premiere. You can edit basic metadata like WB within Premiere right now, and if you edit it in RCX, it shows up in Premiere when you import the r3d file, which is awesome, but I've been using Alchemy and Film Look in just about every shot lately, and those don't show up in Premiere. I'd love to be able to have a colorist work on 1-lights in RCX, and an editor work on the edit, and the clips get updated in Premiere as the colorist works on them (or at least, when the editor clicks "refresh metadata" or quits and reloads Premiere). And of course, for projects where the editor is also the colorist, being able to open up an RCX plugin within Premiere for each clip would be so sweet.

At that point, we would have 1-lights straight through almost the final edit all in RAW, with no roundtripping! With Colorista II, we could get pretty decent grading capability as plugins, and export a final movie straight from the RAW (so cool!). What sucks is Colorista doesn't have things like multiple secondaries, and tracking. If it had those, I don't think anything could ever be better in any way and everyone would be happy and no one would ever complain ever again ever.

Looking forward to playing with SpeedGrade. Maybe that's better than Colorista?

Either way, Adobe + RED FTW! The RED workflow problems that everyone likes to complain about just got a lot smaller, and I think are about to disappear entirely. Never thought I'd say it, but I do believe I'm a Premiere convert. Very impressed.

 

[Curt Pair]

ITS A BLOODY MIRACLE !!!!!! ( yes this maybe old news for you ADOBE purists)


I told ya Mark! I told ya! I've had to remain quiet for a LONG time... but I'm glad folks like you are coming around!

 

[Olivier Madar]

ITS A BLOODY MIRACLE !!!!!! ( yes this maybe old news for you ADOBE purists)


hopefully new Mac tower...coming out this year. Will save all of us that want to work Raw[/FONT][/COLOR]

Hahaha ! I think you will, like me, change your "poor man editing solution", Mark.

I am just doing test on my macbook pro i7 17 between CS6 Snow Leopard, versus CS6 Lion for being able to use the AMD graphic card of the Macbook. But my bet is that the next move won't be on apple notebbok but Win 7 !!!

 

[Patrick Grossien]

Problems...

I think we are right in the middle of a technology black hole.

My MacBook pro pretty much runs Better than my 8 core and 12 core towers.
The towers may render slightly quicker. But CS6 premier runs better on the laptop..

So the problem is... Laptop just needs a red rocket card or double the processing power and it's perfect.
The tower has the red rocket but the processors are so old compared to the i7... So you loose there.

Both can edit the r3ds smoothly. Bit once you start doing effects.. CS6 premier starts to clunk... and gets worse and worse..
Thunderbolt red rocket on the laptop will work a treat.
But a new processor on a tower, shit loads of ram and a red rocket in a
hopefully new Mac tower...coming out this year. Will save all of us that want to work Raw

And until then FCPX will also offer a R3D RAW workflow. Maybe they can win you back

Cheers!

 

[Erich Ocean]

At the end of the day, 1/4 res of 5k 2.5k... ? am I wrong?

Pretty sure it's measured in width, so it'd be 5120/4 x 2700/4 = 1280 x 675. Still nearly HD though.

-E

 

[Jaakko Rinne]

Pretty sure it's measured in width, so it'd be 5120/4 x 2700/4 = 1280 x 675. Still nearly HD though.

-E

Can anyone recall an official word on how the lower resolutions work? 1/2 res could also mean that every other pixel is read and 1/4 res that one in every four pixels is read. So for 1/4 res it would be half width and half height.

 

[Karl Soule]

I'd love to be able to have a colorist work on 1-lights in RCX, and an editor work on the edit, and the clips get updated in Premiere as the colorist works on them (or at least, when the editor clicks "refresh metadata" or quits and reloads Premiere).

Doesn't that work today? There's a "Reload RMD" button in the Source Settings panel.

 

[Mark Toia]

And until then FCPX will also offer a R3D RAW workflow. Maybe they can win you back

Cheers!

You never know....

One thing I do like though, is the PREMIER to AE to PREMIER... real time link back! thats very very awesome!

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

how long was the timeline? is there proper omf and edl export?

 

[Wynn Padula]

I have also started using Premiere for editing red raw files with excellent results! It is amazing to be able to apply color corrections, re-sizing and even stabilization in real time! It is still good to have a redrocket card so that when you finish your project you can export it quickly, otherwise it will take awhile. A new day in editing natively with RED has dawned!

 

[Mark Toia]

how long was the timeline? is there proper omf and edl export?

YES...

 

[joshua csehak]

Doesn't that work today? There's a "Reload RMD" button in the Source Settings panel.

OMG. Adobe has outdone themselves. They're addressing my feature requests BACKWARDS IN TIME

 

[Chris McKechnie]

I'm still getting crazy long program export times in PP CS6. Latest decked to the nines MBP without RR - time is 15 mins....with mobile red rocket - 2 hours. WTF??? Am I doing something wrong?

Ohh and the MRR works great with RCX. Fast export times, but that doesn't help me with CS6.

 

[Mark Toia]

I'm now having issues with Premier... !!!!!!

Thought I'd try my luck on a real job with... OMG! KILL ME NOW!

Even though Premier Cs6 has some more than great features. There is something going on in the back end thats really screwing me up at the moment, so much so, that I had to abort and jump back into FCP.
I'm not going to give up just yet on Premier... I really want to make this thing work in the real world. It's got way to many cool things going for it for me to ignore it.... But there a some serious issues in the engine that need sorting out.
If there is a PREMIER engineer lurking through this forum... You need to get under the hood.

PM me, I'm willing to share the problems...

 

[Jeffrey T. Morgan]

Premier 5.5 has been nearly bulletproof for me. I wonder what your problem is and if it's CS6, or isolated?

 

[Mark Toia]

Premier 5.5 has been nearly bulletproof for me. I wonder what your problem is and if it's CS6, or isolated?

If it's Isolated... then someone has to tell me how to fix it. but to be honest. Even though Premier has some great features. It's is still a clunky editor...
I really really really gave it a good go, But me having to RAM clear every 10 minutes to get it running smoothly is know good, Dropping CODECs and not pointing to media... Know good. Maybe I was just loading it up to much.

I wish someone from ADOBE would call me and tell me how to fix these problems.

it's got such huge potential. I really want it to work.