ADOBE HAVE DONE IT !!!! REAL TIME R3D editing & grading on a LAPTOP!

[Mark Toia]

ITS A BLOODY MIRACLE !!!!!! ( yes this maybe old news for you ADOBE purists)

Firstly congratulations firstly has to go to ADOBE for figuring out what was needed to RUN a 5k RAW project in real time on a lap top.... in 1/4 res playback (but still giving me what looks to be is pin sharp almost 2k resolution playback)
At the end of the day, 1/4 res of 5k 2.5k... ? am I wrong?

For the last 3 nights, I have been flogging CS6 Premier to an inche of its life. I wanted to see it break.. I want to see the limitations of a laptop Vs R3D's Vs CS6 Vs Realtime playback....

So....

I got up to 12 Layers of 5k on top of each other, with 5x 5d shots and 4x Alexa PRO RES files also in the sequence......all on the same time line... I had to blow up the Alexa and Canon files 6x in size or other wise they were only small images sitting on top of a massive 5k file...
I had 2 adjustments layers with effects added... A blur, Grain, A distort, Curves, 3 way colour corrector and a simple key... All still running in real time... running smooth.

Best part of the whole process is that I still have total control over my meta data before and during and after editing, I can change my colour luts / looks etc on the run, and I don't get to loose my beloved REDLOGFILM..... all in glorious 5k.
Now, to really test this thing out, I did what I thought was impossible... I plugged into my Laptop a small Pocket drive VIA FIREWIRE800 with and hours worth of R3D's...
Opened up Premier CS6 and pulled in the files.... IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! I say! Im still able to edit and grade in real time ! from a dinky pocket drive !!!!! AMAZING!!!

Now... I'm sitting here now at my desk looking down at my MAC TOWER.... with its big video AJA video cards and Red Rocket... RAMMED up to the hill!. I'm looking at it thinking... Do I even need you anymore. ?????


I've had a great last few days and being honest, I never thought that I would ever go to Premier ever !!!!!.... I'm and old AVID user but true lover of FCP. Premier I thought was so shit in its early days that I discarded it from my mind for ever !

As a whole, I'm so excited after these tests.... 2 huge long nights of massive testing. CS6 Premier has now turned my EPIC into a true lethal weapon and my RED workflow into something I never thought possible.

I can now honestly say now... I can now edit quicker than what I could do with PRO RES in FCP and Im not stuck in 10bit HD land... I'm now 100% in 12-16 bit 5k RAW land.
The other best thing is... the colour gamit or the levels of colour I get now with grading RAW in CS6 Premier using the CURVES RGB tool is amazing! Especially from REDLOGFILM... I am so happy.

FCP and Possibly my RED ROCKET card have officially beed retired.

Thanks ADOBE! Thanks RED... Killer stuff.

[COLOR=#FFFFFF !important]EDIT!!!!

Problems...

I think we are right in the middle of a technology black hole.

My MacBook pro pretty much runs Better than my 8 core and 12 core towers.
The towers may render slightly quicker. But CS6 premier runs better on the laptop..

So the problem is... Laptop just needs a red rocket card or double the processing power and it's perfect.
The tower has the red rocket but the processors are so old compared to the i7... So you loose there.

Both can edit the r3ds smoothly. Bit once you start doing effects.. CS6 premier starts to clunk... and gets worse and worse..
Thunderbolt red rocket on the laptop will work a treat.
But a new processor on a tower, shit loads of ram and a red rocket in a
hopefully new Mac tower...coming out this year. Will save all of us that want to work Raw[/COLOR]

 

[Maz Mawlawi]

Great!...now if we can only convince most of the post editing houses and agencies to use premiere instead of the outdated FCP we would be in good shape.
CS6 Rocks!

 

[Sven Seynaeve]

mark , could you please share wich laptop you used for it. have to buy one this week and looking really forward to it

 

[Kwan Khan]

++1 for CS6

 

[luigivaltulini]

ITS A BLOODY MIRACLE !!!!!! ( yes this maybe old news for you ADOBE purists)

Firstly congratulations firstly has to go to ADOBE for figuring out what was needed to RUN a 5k RAW project in real time on a lap top.... in 1/4 res playback (but still giving me what looks to be is pin sharp almost 2k resolution playback)
At the end of the day, 1/4 res of 5k 2.5k... ? am I wrong?

For the last 3 nights, I have been flogging CS6 Premier to an inche of its life. I wanted to see it break.. I want to see the limitations of a laptop Vs R3D's Vs CS6 Vs Realtime playback....

So....

I got up to 12 Layers of 5k on top of each other, with 5x 5d shots and 4x Alexa PRO RES files also in the sequence......all on the same time line... I had to blow up the Alexa and Canon files 6x in size or other wise they were only small images sitting on top of a massive 5k file...
I had 2 adjustments layers with effects added... A blur, Grain, A distort, Curves, 3 way colour corrector and a simple key... All still running in real time... running smooth.

Best part of the whole process is that I still have total control over my meta data before and during and after editing, I can change my colour luts / looks etc on the run, and I don't get to loose my beloved REDLOGFILM..... all in glorious 5k.
Now, to really test this thing out, I did what I thought was impossible... I plugged into my Laptop a small Pocket drive VIA FIREWIRE800 with and hours worth of R3D's...
Opened up Premier CS6 and pulled in the files.... IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! I say! Im still able to edit and grade in real time ! from a dinky pocket drive !!!!! AMAZING!!!

Now... I'm sitting here now at my desk looking down at my MAC TOWER.... with its big video AJA video cards and Red Rocket... RAMMED up to the hill!. I'm looking at it thinking... Do I even need you anymore. ?????


I've had a great last few days and being honest, I never thought that I would ever go to Premier ever !!!!!.... I'm and old AVID user but true lover of FCP. Premier I thought was so shit in its early days that I discarded it from my mind for ever !

As a whole, I'm so excited after these tests.... 2 huge long nights of massive testing. CS6 Premier has now turned my EPIC into a true lethal weapon and my RED workflow into something I never thought possible.

I can now honestly say now... I can now edit quicker than what I could do with PRO RES in FCP and Im not stuck in 10bit HD land... I'm now 100% in 12-16 bit 5k RAW land.
The other best thing is... the colour gamit or the levels of colour I get now with grading RAW in CS6 Premier using the CURVES RGB tool is amazing! Especially from REDLOGFILM... I am so happy.

FCP and Possibly my RED ROCKET card have officially beed retired.

Thanks ADOBE! Thanks RED... Killer stuff.

MArk,
Adobe has done much in his last cs6 suites, constantly uses the macbook pro on the set for transferring and viewing files and possibly some red 5k assembly.
If you do not hurry, it is the best solution.
If you try to use to make a premiere cs6 ProRes 422 from an R3D file, you will see that it is very fast in rendering. I do a grade with redcine-x, and export amount of premeire. gain a very long time.

Of course I also have a home tower with nvidia and redrocket and a Blackmagic HD-SDI, but you do not know if the project requires some care in the images still prefer to work with the tower and monitor professional quickly play at full resolution .

nothing remains that can still allaciare pcie thunderbolt of a sonnet with redrocket. to speed up your portable station again

thanks
Luigi

 

[Andy White]

Even on low spec (but modern) PC laptops, CS6 works fine with R3D's. Whilst not 'killer' in performance terms, it's crazy we now have the ability to work like this

On decent laptops, the performance is great - and it's one of those things that you keep on reminding yourself when editing 'this is 5K'... on a laptop.

I'm waiting a while to see what new laptop to get (PC guy - as I do lots of CGI too)... but CS6 is so cool.

Mark - does that mean you're going to force your clients into native R3D now

 

[Scott Surman]

+1 for Adobe:thumbsup:

 

[Mark Toia]

Thanks Luigi...

I work around the world a lot these days.. and I, finding Im home less and less each year. So my tower is becoming my second machine.
Im just impressed now that I don't really need it...
Also.. I will be running through 3 x 27inche thunderbolt LED displays which are remarkable colour accurate...and at the end of those monitors is a SONY OLED... running through a thunderbolt / HDMI converter... which then goes via a HDMI AMP into a 20 foot cinema screen...

All coming out of my laptop. And the stupid thing is... All this use to come out of my TOWER...

Times are a changing

 

[Paul Toth]

I was an Avid editor for years. I started to switch to Premiere in 2008.
I switched because I wanted the integration from After Effects and Photoshop. I was so amazed back then at how far Premiere had come.
I could see the writing on the wall then and haven't looked back. I turn on my Avid less and less. It's tough to think of a reason to now that CS6 is out. Yes there are still some things to improve on but I so enjoy the workflow.

I use a 5 year old Dell T7400 with dual xeon processors with 24 gb ram and a quadro 4800 fx card. My drives are raid 5 sata II and I can work with Red footage like HD footage. Much of my work ends up on tv so it needs to perform correctly. And it does.

Yes safe to say I am an Adobe fan! And a Red fan! But not because of their promises but because they both deliver.

 

[Mark Toia]

Even on low spec (but modern) PC laptops, CS6 works fine with R3D's. Whilst not 'killer' in performance terms, it's crazy we now have the ability to work like this

On decent laptops, the performance is great - and it's one of those things that you keep on reminding yourself when editing 'this is 5K'... on a laptop.

I'm waiting a while to see what new laptop to get (PC guy - as I do lots of CGI too)... but CS6 is so cool.

Mark - does that mean you're going to force your clients into native R3D now

YES... They won't know or care... so long as I get the job done on time, to budget and looks good.

 

[Mark Toia]

mark , could you please share wich laptop you used for it. have to buy one this week and looking really forward to it

17 inch MAC peer book... 2.5g i7chip, 16gig of Ram... 512 SSD for main apps drive... 750gig HD replaces out the optical drive...

Oh... and I doubt Ill get rid of my TOWER... It still has a lot of horse power still. I'm just glad my Laptop can actually do what I need it to do is all.

 

[ericyoung]

17 inch MAC peer book... 2.5g i7chip, 16gig of Ram... 512 SSD for main apps drive... 750gig HD replaces out the optical drive...


Oh... and I doubt Ill get rid of my TOWER... It still has a lot of horse power still. I'm just glad my Laptop can actually do what I need it to do is all.

MAC peer book?

...
Also.. I will be running through 3 x 27inche thunderbolt LED displays which are remarkable colour accurate...and at the end of those monitors is a SONY OLED... running through a thunderbolt / HDMI converter... which then goes via a HDMI AMP into a 20 foot cinema screen...

All coming out of my laptop. And the stupid thing is... All this use to come out of my TOWER...

Times are a changing

Which model thunderbolt displays are you using?

Thanks
Eric

 

[L. Langer]

Definitely no need to get rid of your old hardware unless it doesn't run the latest Mac software. Now that Adobe is using OpenCL, it means far broader and less costly configurations and more ROI for slightly older Mac setups if you are budget conscious. In other words, more beer money!

 

[Scott Crawley]

In other words, more beer money!

I like the way you think.

 

[Robino_J]

mark , could you please share wich laptop you used for it. have to buy one this week and looking really forward to it

I don't recommend buying a Laptop this week as they might announce the new ones at WDCC in about 3 weeks.. I'm waiting to upgrade as well although I have the early 2011 model with SSD and 16GB ram. I got the i7 2.2GHz and because of the CPU L3 cache being 6Mb I don't have the same results as Mark. My performances are only allowing me to work at 1/8 and even that is borderline. Add a fade between 2 clips and it drops frames like crazy even at 1/8. Can't wait to update and don't cheap out on the Gigahertz... I'm getting the top of the line this time. There's also a rumor that they will have retina display and Nvidia GPUs in the update which would help a lot with many things including Neat Video and Resolve.

 

[Tom Daigon]

ITS A BLOODY MIRACLE !!!!!! ( yes this maybe old news for you ADOBE purists)

Firstly congratulations firstly has to go to ADOBE for figuring out what was needed to RUN a 5k RAW project in real time on a lap top.... in 1/4 res playback (but still giving me what looks to be is pin sharp almost 2k resolution playback)
At the end of the day, 1/4 res of 5k 2.5k... ? am I wrong?

For the last 3 nights, I have been flogging CS6 Premier to an inche of its life. I wanted to see it break.. I want to see the limitations of a laptop Vs R3D's Vs CS6 Vs Realtime playback....

So....

I got up to 12 Layers of 5k on top of each other, with 5x 5d shots and 4x Alexa PRO RES files also in the sequence......all on the same time line... I had to blow up the Alexa and Canon files 6x in size or other wise they were only small images sitting on top of a massive 5k file...
I had 2 adjustments layers with effects added... A blur, Grain, A distort, Curves, 3 way colour corrector and a simple key... All still running in real time... running smooth.

Best part of the whole process is that I still have total control over my meta data before and during and after editing, I can change my colour luts / looks etc on the run, and I don't get to loose my beloved REDLOGFILM..... all in glorious 5k.
Now, to really test this thing out, I did what I thought was impossible... I plugged into my Laptop a small Pocket drive VIA FIREWIRE800 with and hours worth of R3D's...
Opened up Premier CS6 and pulled in the files.... IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! I say! Im still able to edit and grade in real time ! from a dinky pocket drive !!!!! AMAZING!!!

Now... I'm sitting here now at my desk looking down at my MAC TOWER.... with its big video AJA video cards and Red Rocket... RAMMED up to the hill!. I'm looking at it thinking... Do I even need you anymore. ?????


I've had a great last few days and being honest, I never thought that I would ever go to Premier ever !!!!!.... I'm and old AVID user but true lover of FCP. Premier I thought was so shit in its early days that I discarded it from my mind for ever !

As a whole, I'm so excited after these tests.... 2 huge long nights of massive testing. CS6 Premier has now turned my EPIC into a true lethal weapon and my RED workflow into something I never thought possible.

I can now honestly say now... I can now edit quicker than what I could do with PRO RES in FCP and Im not stuck in 10bit HD land... I'm now 100% in 12-16 bit 5k RAW land.
The other best thing is... the colour gamit or the levels of colour I get now with grading RAW in CS6 Premier using the CURVES RGB tool is amazing! Especially from REDLOGFILM... I am so happy.

FCP and Possibly my RED ROCKET card have officially beed retired.

Thanks ADOBE! Thanks RED... Killer stuff.

Im glad you are having such a great experience, but dont toss out your power tower yet. While editing at 1/4 is very cool, you will need all the power you can get when you need to Export your sequence. PrP is way different from FCP in this process. It rebuilds each frame as it creates the exported movie. This is where you can experience a massive slow down with Red / Epic, especially if its long form, like a movie. It could take 35 hours to output a long form red sequence from your laptop. Sobering, isnt it.

 

[Brandon J.F.]

I learned to edit on an AVID well over a decade ago. Back then Premiere was a total joke and it took me awhile to even consider using Premiere again. I started trying Premiere CS5.5 late last year and now find myself totally in love with CS6. I'm all in with Premiere now.

 

[Mike Garrick]

@ Mark

Yep I'm in the same boat, old avid user, long time FCP user ...now CS6 user. Only downside I wish the interface between Speedgrade & Premier was a little more flexible, more a 2way street than a one way street.

@ Tom

I understand about the render issue at the back end but if the majority of you work is TVC based then the render times aren't enormous. Maybe hire in a redrocket or take out of house for final render of long form projects. Just a new way of working I guess or is there something I'm missing?

 

[Josef Gatti]

Mark what's your process for getting RG3/RC3 into cs6? Or don't you? That's the final piece to the puzzle for me and I'll dive into the deep end with adobe.

 

[Mike Garrick]

Hey Joseph,

Hows Melbourne ; ) Anyway no mystery about RG3/RC3 you just open it & edit it straight onto the timeline ...just select your viewing resolution 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 . There is no special plug in to load unlike Premier 5.5.....its painless. regards Mike