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6K Dragon-X DSMC2 Petition!

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HUGE UPDATE #3

Talked to Jarred - DSMC1 to DSMC2 Dragon-X for $9,950! Page updated/live on https://www.red.com/upgrade-eligibility now!

HUGE UPDATE #2

For those of you who have a Scarlet-W or Weapon Mg, check this out:

Jarred Land said:
Ok all... this looks like this will go live December 17th(ish)

But since this started here for you all, you guys can get a head start to jump in and book your reservations now so when its time you are at the front of the line.

You'll need to game the system a bit and use the existing upgrade form on RED.com to kick the process off as it is the easiest and quickest way to get your information in. The details listed will be wrong but ignore all that we are just using the form to get your name serial etc.

https://www.red.com/dsmc2-upgrade-for-scarlet-w-form

SCARLET-W and WEAPON-MG users pricing for the upgrade is $4950.

Existing Dragon-X 5k owners will get the free firmware around the 17th as well, and if you want to send your camera in to get the 5k changed to 6k it will cost $150 for the paint touchup version, if you want a full 6k front enclosure change let your rep know we need to see how many of you are so we can see batch opportunities to keep the pricing down.
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Jarred Land said:
This is gong to extend until we finish everyone on the petition list when that closes down the 17th. I think it should last about a month to get through eveyrone? at least everyone scheduled etc. So everyone better get their name on that list.

This isn't a normal program remember..... this is a one off thing for the people by the people and our accountants really would love to see this whole thing go away as soon as possible :)
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Get your orders in now to jump in line!



HUGE UPDATE!

We did it! See the below post - this is such an incredible offer - thank you, Jarred!

Jarred Land said:
no no, I don't think we need to adjust the price... the 5k Dragon-X already have 6K sensors in them. We just need about a month of software work to get IPP2 working on 6k Dragons.

This wont work on Raven.. those sensors are hard 4.5k sensors. And some dragon sensors were software masked down to a smaller resolution that had defects down to a smaller resolution but that was mostly the VV dragons.

And this wont work on DSMC1 users on the list because remember the unified internal boards didn't happen until DSMC2.... But I think most of you have an upgrade path to Dragon-X so you can just do that to get you to this.


So.... the cleanest way to do this since our friend looks like he is gonna get his 50 signatures is to just turn the 5K Dragon-X into 6K Dragon-x and then let the Scarlet-W and MG folks do that normal $4995 upgrade to them.

A bit messy on our side.. some cameras will need more changes some less, but I think it will all balance out in the end and the upgrade fee Scarlet-W and MG users pay should cover the expense of doing this.. and Dragon-X owners just wake up with a better camera after hopefully just a new firmware... so I don't think we will need to charge any more for new Dragon-X 6K cameras.. the 5K Dragon-X just goes away, and Dragon-X owners are forever indebted to the MG and Scarlet-W guys and girls that initiated this change in the program.

The biggest problem with this is a cosmetic one. Scarlet-W and MG users that do this will get new bodies that will say Dragon-X 6k on them so they are ok.. but existing Dragon-X owners with 5K branded on their cameras that now shoot 6k will need to either live with that.. or we can figure out some sort of body upgrade fee to swap out that front panel if it bothers them. Kind of the worst panel to change because it requires a full camera rebuild just to change that, but still I don't see that being more than $500 or $600.

How does that sound?
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So, this started on the Ranger Trade In Program Begins thread.

I'm one of many people who have held on to the dearly beloved Weapon MG because it has a gorgeous 6K Dragon sensor.

I asked Jarred if we could upgrade just the boards in the MG to make a DSMC2 6K Dragon, as the current route is only going to Gemini 5K.

Here's what followed:

Jarred Land said:
heh heh heh.... thats the real question, why wouldn't you want to goto Gemini? You just want the new boards in the DSMC2 body with your existing Dragon sensor?
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BrendanLeahy said:
Yeah, I (and others!) love the 6K Dragon sensor for sure!
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Patrick Tresch said:
+1
Pat
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Jarred Land said:
Get 50 more of those +1's and lets start a dialogue. Dragon-X could become 6k DSMC2 with some effort which I think would fill all you OG Dragon lovers needs.
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This is HUGE, so I wanted to see: who all would like to see a 6K Dragon-X DSMC2 upgrade path?

Please put a +1 and what camera you currently own, just to give RED an idea of who is looking at this, and what camera you'd be coming from. I'm guessing this would still be primarily for MG owners, but we'll see what the Chief says!
 
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Master List:


Weapon Mg
  1. Brendan Leahy
  2. Patrick Tresch
  3. Matt Bass
  4. Himalaya Kilaru
  5. Ty Sugg
  6. Daniel Kelly Brown
  7. Ryan Williams
  8. Ian D
  9. Samir Patel
  10. Jonathan Powell


Scarlet-W Cameras
  • Sergio Herencias
  • Audy Erel
  • Fahnon Bennett
  • Kristin Stewart
  • Juan Francisco Calero
  • Leonardo Schober
  • John Dempsey
  • Devindra S.
  • Josh Birch
  • Bérenger Brillante
  • Sean Lovelace
  • Kurt Mayry #1
  • Kurt Mayry #2
  • Kurt Mayry #3
  • Tobi Rupp
  • Arnaud Dumas
  • Suresh Kara
  • Luke Parmeter
  • Maarten Slooves
  • Manolo Mendieta #1
  • Manolo Mendieta #2
  • Laurent Pasquiet
  • Ross C Turner
  • Max Fannin
  • Peter Lightowler
  • Gabriel Llantino
  • Kevin J Salisbury
  • Ben Fredman
  • Asher Vast
  • Andy Chen
  • David Reimers
  • Joe Karably
  • Juan Camilo Barriga
  • Subrata Sen
  • Matthew Miller
  • Matt De Sousa
  • Dustin Tolman
  • Jacob Barkey
  • Rodrigo Violante
  • Robert Buchanan
  • Tom Jose
  • Declan Sinclair
  • Nick Morrison
  • Matt Beardsley
  • Ian R Carberry
  • Joshua Nitschke
  • Fabio Lanzone
  • Michael Tebinka
  • Daniel Boist
  • David Schonwald
  • Mike Gentilini, Jr.
  • Albert Ling
  • Blaine Westropp
  • Dre Kahmeyer
  • John Conn #1
  • John Conn #2
  • Barry Gregg
  • Søren
  • Paul Houston
  • Jeff Augustin
  • Sergei Selivanov
  • Jan Schuster
  • Henk Otte
  • KShaw
  • Enrico Pavia
  • Julen De La Serna
  • Marcus Thomas
  • Yves Marchon
  • Remsy Atassi
  • Daniel Vergara
  • Georg Rune Andersen
  • Gunther Meisse
  • Johnathan Betz
  • Chris Newhard
  • Roberto Carmona
  • William Long
  • Kyle R Lancaster
  • Rich Bella
  • Thomas Kyle McCarty
  • Brandon Strack
  • John M Taylor
  • Luke Rob
  • Magic Hoskins
  • Riccardo Roan
  • Christophe Deshoux
  • Matthijs Los
  • Miguel A. Gomez
  • Gertjan Aertgeerts
  • Bart de Graaf
  • Nick Dello Russo
  • Trey Plemons
  • Ty Hunt
  • John Barrett
  • Keaton Bowlby
  • Michael Raby
  • Kelii Grace
  • David Peacock
  • Carter McCormick
  • Rick Joaquim, SASC
  • Daniel Agustin
  • Chris Beauchesne
  • Gottfried Repolusk
  • Roberto Leone
  • Martin Whittier
  • Benedikt Schmid
  • Aaron Almquist
  • Matt Weeks
  • Darius Lyles
  • Kenneth Hover
  • Daniel Dïaz
  • David Recher
  • Max Fuerst
  • Iacopo Boccalar
  • Carlos Gracía Ródenas
  • Destyn Patera
  • John R Lewis
  • Matt Simpkins
  • Gabriel Attwood
  • nyem coglitore
  • Tyler Kerpsack
  • Ron Kurokawa
  • Christopher S Johnson
  • Curtis Edlin
  • Shaeden Gallegos
  • Brendan Monteiro
  • Ivan Verlaan
  • Bill Brown
  • John Marchant
  • Tom Barker
  • Ryan Navarro
  • Jan Minol
  • Mitch Ayers
  • Isaiah Jay
  • Brian Cheung
  • Jack Allred #1
  • Jack Allred #2


Dragon-X Cameras
  • Kurt Mayry
  • Scott Balkum
  • Kevin Keiser
  • Everrett Glovier
  • Andrew Gwynn
  • Andrew Storer
  • Joseph Montalto
  • Dylan Hyman
  • Rami Mikhail (updated branding)
  • Sandeep Abraham
  • Eric DeHaven
  • Adrian Musto (updated branding)
  • Maximilian Lewin
  • Kwan Sheung Chi
  • Edwin Haighton
  • Marc Pilato
  • Matja Petrovic
  • Codakchris
  • Patrick Acum
  • Aaron Green
  • Henry Schofield
  • Kevin Bryan
  • Curt Pair
  • Eloi Sirois
  • Jeremy Spring
  • Ronnie Romero
  • Andrew Adams
  • Rob M Neilson
  • Brandon J.F.
  • Paul Barshon
  • Chris Jablonski
  • Przemysław Niewęgłowski



DSMC2 Cameras
  • Manfred Baulig - Monstro
  • Manfred Baulig - Helium
  • Manfred Baulig - Raven
  • Christopher Murray - Raven
  • David Moreno Belmonte - Epic-W
  • Kurtis Imel - Epic-W



DSMC1 Cameras
  • Richard Yau - Epic Dragon
  • Jamil Stubbs - Scarlet Dragon
  • Manfred Baulig - All versions of Epic?
  • Joshua Hoareau - Epic Dragon
  • Julien Deka - Epic Dragon
  • Nikhil Kamkolkar - Epic Dragon
  • James K - Scarlet Dragon
  • Arnaud Dumas - Scarlet Dragon
  • Stephen Pruitt - Scarlet Dragon
  • Jason Diamond - Epic Dragon #1
  • Jason Diamond - Epic Dragon #2
  • Robino_J - Epic Dragon
  • Toby Heslop - Epic Dragon
  • Tom S - Epic Dragon
  • Josef Gatti - Epic Dragon
  • Joshua Hoareau - Epic Dragon
  • Alexandros Tsoupras - Epic Dragon
  • Carlos Castillo - Epic Dragon
  • Elliott Lucas - Scarlet Dragon
  • Alexandre Chailan - Epic Dragon
  • Julien Jarry - Carbon Epic Dragon
  • Rami Mikhail - Epic Dragon
  • Anthony Brown - Epic Dragon
  • Alistair Cooper - Epic Dragon
  • Eric DeHaven - Epic (?) #1
  • Eric DeHaven - Epic (?) #2
  • Eric DeHaven - Epic (?) #3
  • Paul Raila - Epic Dragon
  • Adam Carboni - Epic Dragon
  • Mark Chang - Epic Dragon
  • Mestizo Devon - Forged Dragon?
  • Guerrier JF - Epic Dragon
  • Christer Harris - Epic Dragon
  • Ian D - Epic Dragon
  • Willem Berents - Epic Dragon
  • Aaron Foley - Epic Dragon
  • Jordi Fonollà - Epic Dragon
  • Bob Dodd - Epic Dragon
  • Nick Morrison - DSMC1 Cam 1
  • Nick Morrison - DSMC1 Cam 2
  • Percy Fung - Epic Dragon
  • Percy Fung - RED One
  • Percy Fung - RED Epic
  • Kenji Hibi - Epic Dragon
  • Tom Barrett - Scarlet Dragon
 
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Timothy Jones said:
Would it have better low light abilities than DSMC 1?
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Yes, I had a 6k dsmc2 and there is somthing there for sure. Dont know if its only the higher bitrate or that and optical path but I noticed it being less noisy than my dsmc1
 
Björn Benckert said:
Yes, I had a 6k dsmc2 and there is somthing there for sure. Dont know if its only the higher bitrate or that and optical path but I noticed it being less noisy than my dsmc1
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Graeme stated the new boards in DSMC2 resulted in cleaner images from the same sensor. I have the MG Dragon 6K and there was certainly an improvement over DSMC1 Dragon.
 
Bob Gundu said:
Graeme stated the new boards in DSMC2 resulted in cleaner images from the same sensor. I have the MG Dragon 6K and there was certainly an improvement over DSMC1 Dragon.
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I feel for guys who love their MG weapons who do have very justifiable reasons not to see helium or Gemini as an upgrade...

Their are also small but clear benefits from a picture point of view of the Dsmc2 housed Dragon sensor over a Epic that has the Dragon sensor... but i feel that if Red offered a 6k cut of the Monstro chip most would be happy with that?? Or maybe a dragon in a ranger would be even cleaner?

Monstro is very much like a more sensitive dragon....and for me Gemini and helium are aposing chips with Monstro sitting nicely in the middle... so I do I do think it is a small shame there was never a 6k Monstro
 
+1 have Monstro, helium, Raven and all Epic. WOULD LOVE IT.
 
Michael Lindsay said:
... but i feel that if Red offered a 6k cut of the Monstro chip most would be happy with that?? ... so I do think it is a small shame there was never a 6k Monstro
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We spoke and asked a lot about the Monstro 6k cutout.
RED never spoke about it, so it's probably a technical no go for them.
Otherwise they would have offered it in their new camera line instead of the Dragon-X 5k option.
Who knows?

Pat
 
+1 Mag Weapon - Although I’m holding out for a Monstro I’d be happy to pony up some $ for a unified body. A 6k Monstro would be cool but that would cannibalize the Monstro sales - kinda like the Raven did to the Dragon. I think it’s best Red keeps the Monstro 8K, that’s really where the magic shines - 8K FF!
 
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