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5K Epic

Wow, So much traffic, I can’t even log in REDUSER’S NET.
It took 20 minutes to got here.
Anyway, 30K pricing isn’t bad, but I’ll use RED ONE till I needed 5K.
My post environments are FCP.
I’m not ready for infiniband and 100 terabit server is not ready.
 
SCARLET SPECIFICATIONS:

* NEW 2/3" MYSTERIUM X SENSOR
* 1-120 FPS (180FPS BURST)
* UP TO 100 MB/SEC REDCODE RAW AND RGB RECORDING TO DUAL COMPACT FLASH
* 4.8" LCD
* 8X T2.8 RED ZOOM LENS
* FULL AUTO OR FULL MANUAL SHOOTING MODES
* HDMI and HD-SDI
* FIREWIRE 800 and USB2
* STILL MODE
* COMPATIBLE WITH MANY RED ONE ACCESSORIES
* WI-FI CONTROL

SPECIFICATIONS, DELIVERY DATES AND DESIGN ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE... COUNT ON IT.

I am curious about the LCD on this baby. Is it built in? There is a Pic on the site with what looks like the standard (external) LCD attached?

I am guessing it has the 4.8" built in and the picture is illustrating the RED accessories attached...
 
darkkelt said:
course we're all going to want epic 5k, although at this point 4k is enough, its the latitude/DR I want to see increase to at least 15 stops.
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Isn't an increase in resolution one path toward increased dynamic range? If you're targeting 2k delivery for example, then shooting 5k and scaling down should give you a great deal of noise reduction. Or to put it another way, 5k Epic footage scaled down to 4k should have lower noise than 4k directly from the Red One.
 
5K seems a bit overkill if you ask me. 4K serves well to come near the resolving power of most film emulsions and it's been enough of a battle for me to get a post pipeline running that will grade and finish uncompressed 2K real-time. Have to go for a Bright Systems SAN or similar for real-time 4K, and who knows for 5K. They must be thinking no-one will bother with a uncompressed DI anymore, because I'll bet my Red that affordable storage and bandwidth approaching 2GB/sec won't be around by 2009.

Is it wise to push the aquisition technology so far beyond the means to support it? Call me stuck in my ways, but I want a uncompressed DI, and I don't see how that is practical at 5K.

Still, to shoot at 5K, output 4K and DI at 4K could have some advantages. The lower compression also is a major plus.

When all is said and done, I'll be waiting in line to trade in my Red One and I think it's an amazing and unexpected move on Red's part. Poor old Sony and Panasonic are so far behind, it's really quite sad.

Think about it though, a camera with no depreciation!

That's very clever, I have to admit.
 
Andreas Fernbrant said:
What happend to their slogan:
"Rendering obsolescence obsolete"

Seems to be forgotten right about now. About half or less then half of the people got their cameras. And they are doing a new better cam from scratch, that feels like a sequal to Red One..

Not what I wanted to see...
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I agree. Lets see a usable, solid workflow in place and finish Red 1 before moving onto 5K.:glare:
 
Higher datarates will mean slower processing of files in post... (I think I am waiting long enough as it is...)

If the EPIC is 40k as suggested it is higher priced than what we have come to expect from RED - but then the fact that they will accept your current RED ONE as a trade in at 17500 value will help a lot - and that shows how much RED cares about it´s current costumer base!

I am not going to trade in my RED ONE for a 0,5 K resolution upgrade, but they must have something serious up their sleve - I am guessing significantly increased dynamic range.

Scarlet looks exciting, but the price is a major factor of how interesting it will be to me, anyone heard anything yet?
 
Eirik Tyrihjel said:
Scarlet looks exciting, but the price is a major factor of how interesting it will be to me, anyone heard anything yet?
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I'm sure I saw $3000 on http://provideocoalition.com/

However I can't find it, so it was either pulled because it was a mistake or insider infos not supposed to be published.

Either that, or I'm crazy...
 
4K Hub said:
5K seems a bit overkill if you ask me. 4K serves well to come near the resolving power of most film emulsions and it's been enough of a battle for me to get a post pipeline running that will grade and finish uncompressed 2K real-time. Have to go for a Bright Systems SAN or similar for real-time 4K, and who knows for 5K. They must be thinking no-one will bother with a uncompressed DI anymore, because I'll bet my Red that affordable storage and bandwidth approaching 2GB/sec won't be around by 2009.

Is it wise to push the aquisition technology so far beyond the means to support it? Call me stuck in my ways, but I want a uncompressed DI, and I don't see how that is practical at 5K.

Still, to shoot at 5K, output 4K and DI at 4K could have some advantages. The lower compression also is a major plus.

When all is said and done, I'll be waiting in line to trade in my Red One and I think it's an amazing and unexpected move on Red's part. Poor old Sony and Panasonic are so far behind, it's really quite sad.

Think about it though, a camera with no depreciation!

That's very clever, I have to admit.
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It seems you're confused between a 4k RGB image, obtained by scanning 35mm film for example, and a 4k bayer image. From Graeme Nattress, Red One 4k gives you an approximate measured resolution of 3.2K (less according to independant tests). So 5K, would give you a nice clean 4k image !!!

Cheers,
Damien
 
I thought Dynamic Range was mainly a question of "fill factor" i.e. how dense the individual pixels are crowded and how big of a percentage of the sensor surface is actively used. Since the new 5K sensor is a Super35 size sensor (same size as Mysterium) wouldn't that mean that each individual pixel is packed tighter and therefore theoretically reduce dynamic range?

Not sure (actually I highly doubt) that's the case with Epic but that's what the theoretical consensus is.
 
Scarlet is under 3K !!!.... I mean the price ! This is great, and I´ll likely get 2 of them for 3D stuff or as B Cam and Making of,.......

Great news from Red, Epic is really a great surprise. Depending on the specs to come i would consider a trade in (of a camera i´m still waiting for ;))

Manuel
 
I think some mistakes may have been made with the RED ONE that made it impossible to do certain things. they certainly couldn't make the sensor go any higher than 30fps at 4k and the body being as long as it is meant longer and longer rods for larger lenses.

I think RED ONE is amazing , but I feel it was their training/beta cam. the one where they got to make all the mistakes and now they know what they have to do to do it better. don't forget the sensor and internals were designed over two years ago. thats a whole generation behind at least. combined with all the knowledge they have gained over the two years they've done an amazing job so far. I think this is probably going to upset a lot of people because it was said that RED One would be upgradeable. if EPIC's price really is $40k I could have two RED ONE's for that price and live with the small amount of limitations it has.

I think EPIC probably offers quality way over and above what is possible on the RED ONE i just wish we were able to do all the upgrades on that instead of essentially paying double and getting a trade in on your old body. yes its better and cheaper than any other camera on the market. but that probably won't make a lot of people happy who were barely stretching to make the price it was at presently. I sure as hell hope the warranty on a camera that price is way longer than 1 year
 
Not what I wanted to see

Not what I wanted to see

It would be one thing for this to come out NEXT NAB, and we had had a full year to exploit the market, Red just started shipping in larger numbers the past two months. (Granted it's not likely to come out for a while, but still from an client perception standpoint we just took a hit there's no two ways around that.) Heck we just got our camera a few weeks back.

It's all gonna depend on pricepoint, if it winds up being 10kish with the trade-in, then OK, I'm willing to take the hit, but if it winds up being an additional 20K then I'm gonna feel like I made a poor choice and should have waited.
 
Eirik Tyrihjel said:
Higher datarates will mean slower processing of files in post... (I think I am waiting long enough as it is...)

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Normally, higher datarate means less compression therefore FASTER processing in post !

Cheers,
Damien
 
Where do we recycle all the junk "brand" cameras we now own? RED is not good for the environment.
 
I think they will continue to sell the Red One.
If it is under half price of the epic, it will still be a viable option.

Lots of spare parts....and maybe cheaper refurbished models...in 2009 that is.
 
HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD said:
agreed. 10k I could handle but this has really taken the wind out o the sales of red one.
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Hi,

Sales of Red One have been rather slow recently, therefore it's hardly surprising that a new wonder product is launched. Remember Red is revolutionary.

Stephen
 
Great...

Great...

Ya, im a little disappointed with this. I was hoping that the Red One would be the camera we'd be using for years to come (with upgrades, etc). This isn't exactly the rendering obsolescence obsolete that I was thinking of... Whats going to happen next year at NAB, the Extreme 6K Red Camera?

I think this new camera would have been great if it was maybe 2-3 years from now...but I haven't even received my Red One yet, and now its already obsolete in terms of there being a better camera by Red...
 
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