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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

4K Monitors...

Size of screen is irrelevant - it's all about angle of view. If you want a truly immersive experience that means very wide angle of view and high resolution to match. That's how big IMAX achieves it's effect.

Graeme
 
Lewis-M Soucy said:
I'll wait a couple of years... They're still very expensive... But it's a great statement about Red's 4k philosophy... ;)

Speaking of 4k, here's a funny story. I was looking for a cheap field monitor the other day, and the seller, a guy who thinks he knows the latest stuff in video, asks me:

Seller: it's for what kind of camera?

Me: a Red camera.

Seller: Yeah but do you know the brand?

Me: Red.

Seller: So the camera is Red?

Me: No. The camera is black, but the brand is Red.

Seller: Ok... Never heard of it. I don't think we have those.

Me: I know you don't, it's a 4k camera. They don't sell them here.

Seller: Oh we sell cameras in the 4k range, even more, it depends on your budget. I sold a 6k camera last week...

Me: Can you show me the small Sony monitor there please...

Seller: Sure...


That was at the FNAC des Ternes in Paris last week... :D
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That pretty much matches my experiences everytime I go to FNAC...
 
Jannard said:
There are so many 4K monitors (TVs) being released that we can hardly keep track. I wonder what that means to shows shot on 1080P?

Jim
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That they will be valued for it's content like SD shows on 1080P TV.
 
Steven Veldkamp said:
I don't think it means much. I hate being able to see every single wrinkle on someone's face, or clearly seeing the layers of make-up on an actor. 4K only amplifies this problem.
Nature/docs however, 4k hell yeah. :- )
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I firmly believe the problem is not HD or RED 4K or 5K. The problem is that when filming a subject, one needs to address these issues at the source. In other words, using light and filters to achieve proper skin tones. I worked with a DP who wasn't afraid to soften the image using nets and filters if it did nice things to the images - and this was with Alexa. The thing about Red is that you have a large palette to work with in terms of detail and image resolution - when you need it. For those times you need to manipulate it, the tools are available to do so.
 
Ever since I made my "TimeScapes 4K" video, I have been inundated with requests for 4K footage from 4K panel and projector companies. Basically almost every major electronics manufacturer in Japan and Korea seem to have a 4K monitor in the works. Believe me, it's coming, and coming soon.
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Size of screen is irrelevant - it's all about angle of view. If you want a truly immersive experience that means very wide angle of view and high resolution to match. That's how big IMAX achieves it's effect.

Graeme
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true anytime I watch something on a screen with wide viewing angle the color seems better rather than finding a sweet-spot
 
Are there any real 4K TV's between all these 3,7K TV's?
 
Jannard said:
There are so many 4K monitors (TVs) being released that we can hardly keep track. I wonder what that means to shows shot on 1080P?

Jim
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Lost the post, the server seemed to crash out and I lost a few posts that were going through, another hour wasted.

Anyway, to sumarise. The 1080p shows will be laughing for a few years until good 4k TV (preferably based on Redray technology) and optical disc format etc and more content, Red cameras will play their part in that. Been market for years for 4k, in professional computer use, surface computing, and games, bigger then cinema production, but has not even priced to take advantage. Does not translate over aswell to projectors, but for rear projection, like laservue, it does. What is needed is low light output, low cost 4k laser engine for this market (low cost relevant to current 4k projectors) . There is a curved rear projection monitor company (forget the name) with technology that could use this, good target for ip license, manufacture path for 4k normal unit. So, is it possible to have a little engine that could Jim?

Any chance for a online list of all 4k+ displays for Red owners?


Thanks again


Wayne.
 
Dear Jannard,
First you put film in a lead-lined coffin and welded it shut with your astounding invention and now, apparently, you’re stalking HD, with intent.
You are my hero!
 
Tom Lowe said:
Ever since I made my "TimeScapes 4K" video, I have been inundated with requests for 4K footage from 4K panel and projector companies. Basically almost every major electronics manufacturer in Japan and Korea seem to have a 4K monitor in the works. Believe me, it's coming, and coming soon.
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CES is going on right now, and just about every company that makes a panel has a 4k display to show off. Average pricing is going to be around 10k so far. just under a year ago the cheapest 4k panel was what? 30k? 40k?

we might be seeing 4k TV's in the sub 5 thousand range by next year, and finally the 1-2.5k range the year after that....
 
Tom.Wong said:
CES is going on right now, and just about every company that makes a panel has a 4k display to show off. Average pricing is going to be around 10k so far. just under a year ago the cheapest 4k panel was what? 30k? 40k?

we might be seeing 4k TV's in the sub 5 thousand range by next year, and finally the 1-2.5k range the year after that....
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Sure most large TV manufacturers are making them but they're not going to work their way into homes on a mass scale for a long time. Consumers were just convinced to upgrade to a 1080 TV (hell, most of my DirecTV channels are still standard def) and there's no way the entire TV industry overhalls all their equip for 4K or the consumer market upgrades their TVs in the near future - my guess is a minimum 10 years before we see 4k really take a hold.
 
M.D. Hilton said:
Sure most large TV manufacturers are making them but they're not going to work their way into homes on a mass scale for a long time. Consumers were just convinced to upgrade to a 1080 TV (hell, most of my DirecTV channels are still standard def) and there's no way the entire TV industry overhalls all their equip for 4K or the consumer market upgrades their TVs in the near future - my guess is a minimum 10 years before we see 4k really take a hold.
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it's funny, 10 years seems to always be the magic number with the guesses. fact of the matter is, it's all moving much much faster than anybody ever expected. it's always cinefiles first, and than years for it to make proper penetration into everyday house hold, but where it really starts is when the cine files jump on board. the home theater is like the mid life crisis or new sports car to a lot of people these days. but i think the most important thing is that 4k acquisition will really start having 4k delivery. starting with the big screen, than the web (which is integrating with television at a rapid pace) and whatever ultra high quality home medium may it be. I know sony is already working on a way to get 4k blu ray going. If redcode can look good at 12-24mbps out of a red ray, why not a more effecient codec at the same bitrate for 4k optical? sky is the limit.
 
Tom.Wong said:
it's funny, 10 years seems to always be the magic number with the guesses. fact of the matter is, it's all moving much much faster than anybody ever expected. it's always cinefiles first, and than years for it to make proper penetration into everyday house hold, but where it really starts is when the cine files jump on board. the home theater is like the mid life crisis or new sports car to a lot of people these days. but i think the most important thing is that 4k acquisition will really start having 4k delivery. starting with the big screen, than the web (which is integrating with television at a rapid pace) and whatever ultra high quality home medium may it be. I know sony is already working on a way to get 4k blu ray going. If redcode can look good at 12-24mbps out of a red ray, why not a more effecient codec at the same bitrate for 4k optical? sky is the limit.
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X264 already does 4K very well at those bitrate, which is of course within H.264 standards future Bluray QHD codecs will use.
 
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