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2012: The Year of 4K

Is there any 4K material somewhere on the web as h264 file? Not youtube overcompressed stuff. Good quality h264 material.
 
Poor RedRay section being the dungeon of reduser...maybe Jim or Jarred can post something spicy in here to get the numbers up...this is yet again one of the next 'biggest ideas' for Red and I'm surprised it hasn't really generated more chatter.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Things are VERY different now. TV is the internet. HBO GO has better compression in HD than some carriers. APPLE's VOD numbers for indie films are insane (in a good way). There's COMPETITION to deliver content - Google, Amazon, Apple, Hulu (with more than twice as much as the combined total of video streamed from the websites of ABC, CBS, the CW, Fox and NBC) - so .... delivery platforms will need to differentiate themselves with QUALITY. I'm aware of one early start-up company already working to be the first all 4K broadcast channel.
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This is why Hollywood lobbyists are so desperately trying to get laws passed so that the Government (Hollywood) can control the internet, or at least remove it as a competitor.
 
Jeremy Torrie said:
Poor RedRay section being the dungeon of reduser...maybe Jim or Jarred can post something spicy in here to get the numbers up...this is yet again one of the next 'biggest ideas' for Red and I'm surprised it hasn't really generated more chatter.
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Yes.
 
This is a function more of the Intel Ivy Bridge chip, which (as the story notes) will support up to 4096x4096 resolution. This isn't necessarily optimal for all users and software. To me, on a 24" monitor, 1920x1200 works fine for running various programs.

4K will be important in future display technology and entertainment, but I think viewers will see the most dramatic results on wall-size (or bigger) screens -- not a 24" or 30" computer monitor.
 
Michel Hafner said:
Is there any 4K material somewhere on the web as h264 file? Not youtube overcompressed stuff. Good quality h264 material.
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Try Sintel (http://www.sintel.org/), it's an animation film. 4K X264 downloadable here: http://download.blender.org/durian/movies/.

Marc Wielage said:
This is a function more of the Intel Ivy Bridge chip, which (as the story notes) will support up to 4096x4096 resolution. This isn't necessarily optimal for all users and software. To me, on a 24" monitor, 1920x1200 works fine for running various programs.

4K will be important in future display technology and entertainment, but I think viewers will see the most dramatic results on wall-size (or bigger) screens -- not a 24" or 30" computer monitor.
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I don't think you can look at screen size without considering viewing distance. For example, I use my 27 inch monitor from 2-3 feet away. 2560x1440 is not enough. I need more resolution than someone watching an IMAX screen middle of the theater. On the other hand, someone watching a 55" HDTV from 12 feet away, 1920x1080 is more than enough.
 
Marc Wielage said:
This is a function more of the Intel Ivy Bridge chip, which (as the story notes) will support up to 4096x4096 resolution. This isn't necessarily optimal for all users and software. To me, on a 24" monitor, 1920x1200 works fine for running various programs.

4K will be important in future display technology and entertainment, but I think viewers will see the most dramatic results on wall-size (or bigger) screens -- not a 24" or 30" computer monitor.
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I think I read that Ivy bridge can drive 2 or 3 4k displays. But if you are using all the premium field of view (which you can do with a 30 inch at close distance) then even 4k might not be enough (even 8k) to get pixels down. This is now 8k era, 4k was meant to come out in 2008 (4k has been out much earlier on small monitors as well), but we have let the consumer electronics industry dictate professionally what we do. Doing photographic work is an excellent reason to have 8k. When you blowup photographs to posters, it is another story, and I think there will even be a home market for A2 and A1 printers for the 32mpixel+ cameras. That is why the Red projectors 4k resolution is such a mistake, I can put them onto. a lcos manufacturer that already has 8k in the works. In a year or so the Red 9k camera will be out, and 4k will be old hat.


Subhadip, yes.
 
I get what you are saying. And 8k and above for stills is great, but I just saw my first 4k footage ever. To say it was amazing is an understatement. To say that the world will change when the public sees what they have been missing with current digital cinema technology is a statement of fact. If the cameras stay ahead of the curve and the projectors follow a few years after we will get to 8k eventually. However to sit around and wait for it to happen is a little silly.

Whatever you do- if you have not seen a 4k projection you need to go to a screening. You will be pissed you ever bought a ticket to a 2k movie.
 
I have released trailers in 4K H264. We are releasing my film "TimeScapes" next Wednesday as a 4K 14GB H264 MOV file. It's 45 mins long.

I believe that Sony 4K Blurays may start getting into the wild this year, or early next. And obviously Red is cooking something up.
 
Tom Lowe said:
I have released trailers in 4K H264. We are releasing my film "TimeScapes" next Wednesday as a 4K 14GB H264 MOV file. It's 45 mins long.
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Cool Tom. I'll be looking out for the release next week. Good luck!
 
4K won't go mainstream until either the ps4 or the next xbox become available... but even then, most folks will still opt for 1080p simply due to the cost of 4k displays. I predict 2014 (late 2013?) will be the year of 4K.
 
I really hope apple ships some 4k displays on the 11th of this month when all the new models are out. Since Ivy Bridge supports it, I am hoping they can get it out to the consumers... I mean the Imac if given more PPI will reach that 4k mark...
 
Tom Lowe said:
I have released trailers in 4K H264. We are releasing my film "TimeScapes" next Wednesday as a 4K 14GB H264 MOV file. It's 45 mins long.

I believe that Sony 4K Blurays may start getting into the wild this year, or early next. And obviously Red is cooking something up.
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Hello Tom Lowe,

I've seen, in a newspaper here in Switzerland the most popular one "Le Matin", an article about your film beeing the first 4k film to be released. They Just missed the point on internet release but I think if you are even reaching "Le Matin" your are becoming a world phenomenom!!!

;-)

Keep on the good work.

Patrick
 
4K Indie nirvana

4K Indie nirvana

Tom Lowe said:
I have released trailers in 4K H264. We are releasing my film "TimeScapes" next Wednesday as a 4K 14GB H264 MOV file. It's 45 mins long.(snip)
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Perhaps there's a separate thread that delves deeper into your mastering specs? IF not, I would love to know a bit more about the pipeline. Did you at some point make 4K DPX stacks that you then made into Cineform files that you turned into H264 MOVs in AME, Compressor, Sorensen, ???

Download only? Blu-ray data disc? 16GB flash drive?

Do tell...

Cheers - #19
 
Ravi Kiran said:
Are there any websites listing 4K theaters and movies with 4K DCPs?
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Someone really needs to do this. Sony has a microsite that has theaters, but just for their projectors.
 
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