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Adobe Abandons Creative Suite, Announces Full Switch to Creative Cloud

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Bing Bailey said:
except now if you want to skip a generation of software because it wasn't that compelling you cant because you'll lose access to your software. this isn't progress unless its a choice. want to switch to something else and get off the adobe train but retain access to all your old files. well you won't be able to do that either unless you pay the adobe tax
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This really got me thinking. It's a bit scary
 
Brian F Kobylarz said:
The other downside that Adobe will need to address is for those of us that have platforms that are required to be firewalled by an air gap to the internet.

There are a lot of workstations out there that process information that must remain untouchable by anyone without the proper clearance and need to know.
Requiring interconnectivity to a cloud would violate every known security procedure and put that information at risk.
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If I'm not mistaken, one would only have to check in once a month for verification. You only get about 20 GBs storage on the CC which is chump change to a RED shooter. So no need to stay connected other than for a short verification.
 
according to the FAQ page:
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Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?

No.* Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.
You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days.* However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline."
 
I can see this backfiring on Adobe. There are a lot of folks that only, or mostly just use AE. If they are forced to rent the whole software suite for a fixed price just to get to AE, then I can see them migrating to the competition. Autodesk should be happy about this.

Personally, I don't like piecemeal, constant updates. Plays havoc with your plug-ins installations. It's a big enough pain when a new version comes out once a year or so to reinstall them all. Doing so every few weeks would be enough to make me look seriously at the competition. Pity. I've grown to really like PPro. Also... another monthly bill? Really?

Adobe... keep the choices available.
 
Mike Smith said:
I can see this backfiring on Adobe. There are a lot of folks that only, or mostly just use AE. If they are forced to rent the whole software suite for a fixed price just to get to AE, then I can see them migrating to the competition. Autodesk should be happy about this.

Personally, I don't like piecemeal, constant updates. Plays havoc with your plug-ins installations. It's a big enough pain when a new version comes out once a year or so to reinstall them all. Doing so every few weeks would be enough to make me look seriously at the competition. Pity. I've grown to really like PPro. Also... another monthly bill? Really?

Adobe... keep the choices available.
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$19.95 a month to rent a single app.
 
From Q&A page:
"If you purchased an annual individual membership plan and you cancel after the first 30 days but before meeting the 12-month commitment date, you will be charged 50% of the remaining amount left on your contract."
Sounds very much like a phone contract early termination fee...
 
I cant make head nor tails of their plan structure.

It says you can have annual or month to month structures; but I can find only the annual prices (per month). How much would it cost to have After Effects for 1 month, without an annual plan, for instance?
 
jake blackstone said:
$19.95 a month to rent a single app.
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$29.99/month for everything. There's always a deal floating around. Suppose when my first year runs out I can cancel and sign up again at the discounted price.
 
For those worried about being offline and unable to authorize your machine this may be the answer:

You can prepay for one year of membership when you purchase through a retailer or etailer (like Amazon). This gives you the same price as purchasing an annual plan directly from Adobe, but you pay up front instead of monthly.
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http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html
 
Brandon J.F. said:
For those worried about being offline and unable to authorize your machine this may be the answer:



http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html
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Also...

"Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline."
 
I personally don't think it sounds like too bad of a deal. They're not forcing you to store your project files online. They're not forcing you to do anything other than pay a monthly fee which adds up to about the same amount as a yearly upgrade option. I think the "cloud" part of it is what is scaring a lot of people. All the apps, projects, media all live on your computer hard drive. You choose to share, collaborate, and store stuff on the "cloud" if you want to.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The bad spart is for those of us who run multi-platform operations, the physical media purchase/ license was a much better deal. If bought through Adobe's Volume Licensing / business sales portal, you were given both Mac and Windows licenses for the same purchase price. So my $500 upgrade to CS6, for example, gave me both a Mac and a Windows serial number and I could install and run it simultaneously on two Mac and two Windows workstations. Cloud cuts that in half. Also, with the physical licensing, we only had to buy upgrades when they made the most sense. With Cloud, the annual price is about the same as the upgrade price has been. However, that is the annual price and makes no difference whether or not Adobe releases new versions/ upgrades or not.
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"you can use Creative Cloud desktop applications on two computers at once, regardless of operating system, for the individual associated with the Creative Cloud membership. See the product license agreements page for more information."

So, sounds like you still get multi-platform functionality, but yes, you don't have the FOUR potential licenses like you did previously. But, it's better than it being single-platform.
 
I've brought this up on other forums but it's worth mentioning. If you live in the US and are a business owner or freelancer (as I'm no expert in how other tax systems work) then the subscription model is a benefit tax-wise. You can write off the entire value of the subscription each year rather than treating software as an asset that depreciates. This should somewhat offset operating costs for those who weren't use to paying for every upgrade as it came out.
 
Angelo Lorenzo said:
I've brought this up on other forums but it's worth mentioning. If you live in the US (as I'm no expert in how other tax systems work) then the subscription model is a benefit tax-wise. You can write off the entire value of the subscription each year rather than treating software as an asset that depreciates. This should somewhat offset operating costs for those who weren't use to paying for every upgrade as it came out.
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Nice, didn't think of that! Totally makes sense. Now, it's a service, not a product.
 
Jonathan Stevenson said:
I personally don't think it sounds like too bad of a deal. They're not forcing you to store your project files online. They're not forcing you to do anything other than pay a monthly fee which adds up to about the same amount as a yearly upgrade option. I think the "cloud" part of it is what is scaring a lot of people. All the apps, projects, media all live on your computer hard drive. You choose to share, collaborate, and store stuff on the "cloud" if you want to.
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I have been using Creative Cloud since they started offering it with CS 5.5. I use none of the cloud features. Everything works just as it would if I installed the suite offline from a disc with the only difference being the occasional authorization message when opening an app.
 
After learning more I'm warming to it. Still have no confirmation that Speedgrade and AE will be included, but it seems likely.
 
Elsie N said:
Is being on the cloud a contract? That is, can I be on the cloud for six months and then off for a few months and get back on when ready (and not be charged for the time I am off)? If so, I like.
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You can pay for it as you need it. Pay for a month, off for three.. Pay for 3 months, off for two, etc.. Or you can do annual subscriptions, which come at a slight discount off the monthly rate.


Matt Doane said:
If you're the type of user who updates with each major release than this doesn't change much. And I'd bet most of us are that type of user.
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Doesn't change much, other than the price. Essentially it's now a bit more than double the cost. For those of us coming from Volume Licensing. Actually with the CS owner discounts, this next year will be fine, hopefully some things may get addressed in that amount of time. For VLS customers or those needing to install on more than 2 PC's, the CC for teams is the best option, or the Enterprise option if you require at least a dozen seats. It's just a huge hit compared to the physical license with VLS.

I understand what Adobe's trying to do here and I think the move to 100% cloud subscription is probably the right move. They need to take another look at the pricing structure though... I think the individual app pricing is complete and utter bullshit. Yes, that is my professional opinion. So, without discount and paying the standard price, which I would have to do if I want to set up a two systems as Photoshop-only workstations... it's going to cost me 75% as much over the next year as it would cost to buy Photoshop CS6 right now? And then I have to pay that amount again in 12 months, just too keep using the software? Yep, feels like a tax to me... :(

Will be interesting to see how this pans out... Microsoft tried it with Office and it didn't work out. Adobe needs to price this so people are not paying more than what they have been paying just to keep using the same tools.

I guess I'll have to sign up, don't really have a choice, do I? But I'll wait until the new version is only a day or two away. No reason to waste a month or two now paying for cloud licenses to software I have permanent licenses for...
 
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Brian F Kobylarz said:
The other downside that Adobe will need to address is for those of us that have platforms that are required to be firewalled by an air gap to the internet.
There are a lot of workstations out there that process information that must remain untouchable by anyone without the proper clearance and need to know.
Requiring interconnectivity to a cloud would violate every known security procedure and put that information at risk.
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IMO this is a non-trivial issue. Does anyone think connecting to the web is going to get safer going forward? Amongst the folks I hang with I'd say 90% keep their primary editorial/DI boxes offline and use a laptop and USB sticks to load updates between projects. Is this just paranoia fueled by urban legend or a past "incident"? Perhaps, but I'd hate to be near the end of posting a long form project and have to risk the exposure of going online, and, potentially, having the software auto update in such a way that it creates a conflict.

Hopefully Adobe has already looked at this issue and at the very least offers the option to toggle off any operations beyond authentication, though, as Brian notes, that might not be enough to overcome set policy at some installations.

Cheers - #19
 
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