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Adobe Abandons Creative Suite, Announces Full Switch to Creative Cloud

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Brian Merlen said:
well check back with us ten years from now when your paying 600 a year for most of the decade lol (or more if they up the price since everyone and there mother needs AE, PS, and others)
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I've been an paying costumer since I was 16. I'm 33. I'm already used to that.
 
Brian Merlen said:
well check back with us ten years from now when your paying 600 a year for most of the decade lol (or more if they up the price since everyone and there mother needs AE, PS, and others)
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I'm not too worried about that. 10 years ago Photoshop 7 alone cost $600 :)
 
Phil Holland said:
So for existing CS6 customers this comes out to $240 a year and you essentially get the previous concept of the Master Collection. This is actually not a bad deal at all.
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If I understand correctly, that's the introductory price. That may go up the second year to the regular price.
 
Webster Miller said:
A major concern for me is software version control over time. What happens if I need to go resurrect a project 3 years or 5 years later? Not easy in todays world but is in my control to make happen. Will Adobe support me in making sure that I have access to the exact version of the programs that I originally used? Is this automatic? How long are versions made available?

What happens if I have a project in works for a year+ and there a couple of releases of software during the project? Can I control when I "upgrade"? If so, for how long before Adobe says we no longer support that?

This model may become problematic for long-term projects and for recovering old projects.
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I think the FAQ said you do not have to upgrade when new upgrades come out. So I would assume you can stay with the version you started with. On the other hand, as with CS6 you can open an older version of a project in the new version of software. Not sure how far back that goes but I've uploaded CS5 projects in CS 6.
 
I think the lack of choice is an issue here, I can understand them wanting to promote and encourage use of the creative cloud, but why remove the option to purchase the suite? I'm fine with getting rid of physical media and packaging, but I don't see why they can't continue to sell CS7 online as well as the cloud.
 
Daniel Pearson said:
I think the lack of choice is an issue here, I can understand them wanting to promote and encourage use of the creative cloud, but why remove the option to purchase the suite? I'm fine with getting rid of physical media and packaging, but I don't see why they can't continue to sell CS7 online as well as the cloud.
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+1!
 
Webster Miller said:
A major concern for me is software version control over time. What happens if I need to go resurrect a project 3 years or 5 years later? Not easy in todays world but is in my control to make happen. Will Adobe support me in making sure that I have access to the exact version of the programs that I originally used? Is this automatic? How long are versions made available?

What happens if I have a project in works for a year+ and there a couple of releases of software during the project? Can I control when I "upgrade"? If so, for how long before Adobe says we no longer support that?

This model may become problematic for long-term projects and for recovering old projects.
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You are not forced to upgrade. It's up to you to do it or not.

Regarding access to old versions of the software. Yes, starting with CS6 it will be possible.

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Do Creative Cloud members have access to previous versions of Creative Cloud apps?

Yes. Creative Cloud paid members have access to a select set of archived versions of the desktop apps. Starting with CS6, select older versions of the desktop creative apps will be archived and available for download. Archived versions are provided "as is" and are not updated to work with the latest hardware and software platforms.
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http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html
 
I think students are better off with the Avid deal, but they were better off before this anyway...199 and free upgrades for four years! adobe has a great red workflow, and i love my suite, I'm just a tad bummed out on the subscription model...its really hard for me to justify since i don't do a lot of couch editing, mainly working at studios on xeons, not my system so it's just hard for me to personally justify moving to the cloud. I almost rather buy cs6 on the cheap when this debuts...
 
Daniel Pearson said:
I think the lack of choice is an issue here, I can understand them wanting to promote and encourage use of the creative cloud, but why remove the option to purchase the suite? I'm fine with getting rid of physical media and packaging, but I don't see why they can't continue to sell CS7 online as well as the cloud.
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This move has been a long time coming. I think most companies are, or will be, moving towards this new model. 10 years from now I think most intellectual property (music, movies and software) we pay to use we will not own our copy of. It will all be provided as a service.

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Narayen said that there are more than a few financial changes that come as a result of the switch. Without boxed software, the relationship with channel partners changes (though Narayen didn't say exactly how). In fact the whole financial model changes. Among the new performance metrics Wall Street will look for in Adobe is "number of subscribers" and "annualized recurring revenue."
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http://mashable.com/2013/05/06/adobe-ceo-interview-creative-cloud/
 
Mark Pavy said:
So you're happy to wear the cost! :)
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Well I wouldn't say happy, but I am quick to acknowledge that this is less than what I paid for to upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 when that happened. Less expensive than CS5 and previous upgrades as well.

I have absolutely zero problem paying for tools I use to make a living.
 
Brandon, Speed Grade within CS6 is lame, imo.

So you are forced into the upgrade of CS7 & the cloud if you want the improved functionality in Speedgrade that should've been there in the 1st place. Once you subscribe you are locked in, there is no going back.

Cost is minimal, that isn't the worry. However, didn't I read somewhere that if you let the subscription lapse you have to pay 50% of the annual fee?

What is, is the software is only active whilst your paying for it. Stop paying for it no access to any project you cut in Adobe when subscribing...period. Sure opt out, it's easy but you will never be able to access that project again. Essentially you are locked into paying for this for the rest of your working life. Is that an over-reach maybe ..maybe not
 
Phil Holland said:
Well I wouldn't say happy, but I am quick to acknowledge that this is less than what I paid for to upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 when that happened. Less expensive than CS5 and previous upgrades as well.

I have absolutely zero problem paying for tools I use to make a living.
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I agree, read what you wrote: I am a happy paying COSTUMER......
 
I understand this isn't for everyone, but after a year of having this service, I don't mind it. I don't want a physical box or CD (Don't have a drive anyway) either. This is just part of business and it's the way everything is going. Having a big release once a year is a pain in the ass for everyone. incremental releases makes more sense and subscription costs are actually easier to manage.
 
Mike, I'm not endorsing what they are doing. I'm just sharing my observations. In my opinion it feels like too aggressive of a move. I do think it's inevitable though. Not because I think it's the right way to go. It's just how I've seen things shifting (in general).

I agree about Speed Grade CS6. The 50% penalty is new. Before it was just that you were, presumably, barred from using Creative Cloud in the future. If large numbers of people start getting hit with this fee there will be a backlash.
 
I am on creative cloud. Initially I had serious reservations but to tell you the truth it has been trouble free. It is great getting automatic updates. The monthly fee is very reasonable.
 
Phil Holland said:
I have absolutely zero problem paying for tools I use to make a living.
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This is where I am at as well.

I agree that the one size fits all model won't work for everyone, but I have been on the "cloud" with Adobe since the beginning and love having the latest updates and improvements as they come, rather than wait 12-18 months for the old software improvement cycle.

One of the Adobe developers also mentioned that older versions of the software (starting with CS6) will always be available to download so that you will always have backward compatibility with older projects (hello Apple).

I personally like opening up Premiere on both my Macbook Pro and my monster PC concurrently with the same license.

It works for me.
 
I have been an Adobe customer for a while, but it has never been my main app. I usually skip a version before upgrading. It seems like the first year is $30 per month, then you get bumped to $50 per month. If after I year I can use CS7 and just not get upgrades until I make another one year commitment, I would be okay with that. I don't think that is the case. I was waiting for C7 to come out to upgrade from CS5.5 which I don't love. Now I will have to take a look at Avid. I can upgrade my license for $300. Bad move Adobe for everyone who is not a power user.
 
No offense to everyone saying this is a bad move for Adobe... but Adobe is a business, and for them, it's a brilliant move. They've discovered they can potentially make a lot more money by going this route, and that's their right. They exist to make a profit. Why do you think (among other reasons) that Apple has been so slow to upgrade their towers? Selling towers doesn't keep the shareholders happy. Selling iPhones and iPads does! Personally I think the $50 / month (I just exhausted my first year 'discount') I'm paying is a steal for what I get. Not only do I get the full master collection that I had before, but other software that didn't even come with master collection, as well as online storage, and other collaborative tools... and it doesn't matter if I have a PC, Mac, or both! I understand the people that 'only' use Premiere / After Effects / Speedgrade, etc not wanting to pay $50 / month for all this other software they may not use, but Adobe is producing professional tools for professional use. If you're a hobby user, there are plenty of low/no cost editing solutions out there for you... sorry, I know that sounds harsh, but I think people just need to accept this is the new reality and move on with their lives. I'd worry more about using your RED to shoot something amazing than Adobe taking a measly $50 out of our pockets each month...
 
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