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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Zoom H6 Available Today

The previous version of this had terrible noise floor, is that gone? I bought it and returned it because the noise floor was so loud that I couldn't record any subtle sound at all.
 
zooms and timecode

zooms and timecode

Florin Danilov said:
Hi guys.

H6 has SMPTE timecode syncing ? Or at least a viable time code to use in RDCX or premiere? H4 has a time code in 4 track rec mode, but can't be used in any app.

thanks.
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they have no native smpte timecode clock.

waveform matching, or yet another box, recording tc as an audio track are your choices.
 
Okay, for what it's worth, I finally got a clean signal to the Epic! And I mean clean enough to actually use for corporate stuff. I had first bought a Sescom 3.5mm -25db attenuated cable (DON'T BUY this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sescom-LN2M...-6-/390615578480?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160) and the signal still seemed like it was coming in too hot, even with the line out level cranked down. So here's my solution:

1. Any 3.5mm male to 3.5mm male
2. Attenuated (-40db) phono jack to 3.5mm (I bought this one: http://www.thesource.ca/estore/prod...e&category=NetworkAccessories&product=2740300)
3. 3.5mm jack to phono plug (I bought this one: http://www.thesource.ca/estore/prod...ne&category=Audio+Accessories&product=2740871)
4. Set line level output in Zoom H6 to -10db.
5. Set the RED Epic audio channel to unbalanced and the level to the absolute minimum (which I believe is +30db)

...so the path is Zoom H6 (with line level output set to -10db) -> 3.5mm cable (male to male) -> 3.5mm to phono plug -> attenuated (-40db) phono jack to 3.5mm -> RED Epic (channel set to unbalanced and level at the minimum, which is +30db)

It's not very pretty but it works and sounds great. So I guess the long-term solution is to find a 3.5mm to 3.5mm (male to male) -40db attenuted cable. I just ordered this one... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/287412-REG/Remote_Audio_CAFPTPAD_Stereo_1_8_Mini_Output.html
 
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Ryan Sauve said:
Okay, for what it's worth, I finally got a clean signal to the Epic! And I mean clean enough to actually use for corporate stuff. I had first bought a Sescom 3.5mm -25db attenuated cable (DON'T BUY this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sescom-LN2M...-6-/390615578480?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160) and the signal still seemed like it was coming in too hot, even with the line out level cranked down. So here's my solution:

1. Any 3.5mm male to 3.5mm male
2. Attenuated (-40db) phono jack to 3.5mm (I bought this one: http://www.thesource.ca/estore/prod...e&category=NetworkAccessories&product=2740300)
3. 3.5mm jack to phono plug (I bought this one: http://www.thesource.ca/estore/prod...ne&category=Audio+Accessories&product=2740871)
4. Set line level output in Zoom H6 to -10db.
5. Set the RED Epic audio channel to unbalanced and the level to the absolute minimum (which I believe is +30db)

...so the path is Zoom H6 (with line level output set to -10db) -> 3.5mm cable (male to male) -> 3.5mm to phono plug -> attenuated (-40db) phono jack to 3.5mm -> RED Epic (channel set to unbalanced and level at the minimum, which is +30db)

It's not very pretty but it works and sounds great. So I guess the long-term solution is to find a 3.5mm to 3.5mm (male to male) -40db attenuted cable. I just ordered this one... http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/287412-REG/Remote_Audio_CAFPTPAD_Stereo_1_8_Mini_Output.html
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Hi Ryan, have you tried the shotgun attachment when mounted on camera? Any chance you can post a picture of this setup with the various cables attached? Audio is definitely not my thing...
 
Would be nice if you can post photo of your rig Ryan.
 
Here are a few pictures of my setup for a one-mic interview...

Here's a 360 of my setup (try to keep it clean looking):
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Then, we'll move backwards (sorry) along the signal chain:
1. Attenuated (-40db) phono jack to 3.5mm (http://bit.ly/SNu036)
2. 3.5mm jack to phono plug (http://bit.ly/1j7wcNz)
3. Generic 3.5mm male to 3.5mm male audio cable
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4. Generic Gold-Plated Dual Male to Female Splitter
5. Sennheiser G3 XLR to 3.5mm cable
6. WC 1/4-20 Hotshot (http://bit.ly/1jeGMMW)
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P.S. The BH cable I ordered didn't work so I'll be sticking with this configuration for a while . Too much attenuation I'll see what else I can find. I love this setup for corporate though, it's streamlined and clean.
 
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so are you recording to the H6 SD and directly to camera simultaneously this way? sorry dumb question, trying to figure out audio!
 
jason dewey said:
thanks Ryan, incredibly helpful! I'm getting some of these cables and adapters tomorrow for virtually the same setup, based on your list. Much appreciated on the photos. I ordered this cable since the B&H one was out of stock, will let you know if it works:

http://www.trewaudio.com/store/Remote-Audio-Adapter-Cable-Shure-Tape-out-Mic-level-CAFPTPAD.html

I also have a -35Db attenuated cable coming from another manufacturer so will text both...
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It's weird, that - 40db cable from BH gave too much attenuation. I had to set line out attenuation (on the h6) to 0db and crank the Epic's dB from 30 to 50 to match (this is no good since I want to keep the Epic at 30db). That makes me think I need a -20db cable.

But then the component that I'm using right now is a - 40db phono to 3.5mm, which is working perfectly. Geez, this is a real trial and error thing. Can't wait to find that one magic cable that works.
 
For use to record atmospheric sounds in stereo, how good is it to have around? The H4n had ridiculously bad noise on lower volume sounds, it was so bad that I had it returned because I couldn't get any usable atmospherics for sound design at all. And if the H6 isn't up for that either, is there any other that works? Price doesn't matter, but it has to be a system that works on it's own in stereo.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
For use to record atmospheric sounds in stereo, how good is it to have around? The H4n had ridiculously bad noise on lower volume sounds, it was so bad that I had it returned because I couldn't get any usable atmospherics for sound design at all. And if the H6 isn't up for that either, is there any other that works? Price doesn't matter, but it has to be a system that works on it's own in stereo.
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Hey Chris, someone else will have to chime in as I've never used the recorder that way. I would think that with the right mic (not the Zoom ones that attach to the top), I might be able to get something decent but I'd have to test. This is something I was planning on trying this Summer anyway so I'll report back once I get around to trying this. I'll be trying the following 3 tests:

1. Pub
2. Downtown city street
3. Forest

Probably going to attempt this using a matched Rode NT1a pair or CM3 pair in an ORTF configuration. I'm excited about this little project already!
 
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Thanks for continuing to post your experiences with this Ryan. I am picking up an H6 very soon and all of the info in this thread is very helpful. I plan on testing atmospheric recordings this summer using Audio Technica mics and will share my findings later.
 
That's pretty awesome.

Domenic Barbero said:
there is actually a back up record mode in the h6 i was messing around with. it will automatically make a duplicate track that is -12db. so one mic in, 2 tracks out. :)
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Did anyone tried this??

A-Connect 2 leading mikes to this preamp Mix-Pre-D: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...es_MIXPRE_D_MixPre_D_Compact_Field_Mixer.html

B-Get the output from the Mix-Pre-D to the H6

C-Get 4 more mikes on an H6 like ambient, surround ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/967366-REG/zoom_h6_handy_audio_recorder.html )

D-Take the line out from the bottom of the H6 to 2 XLR's ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ology_CYX_403M_Stereo_Mini_Phone_Male_to.html ) : Will that record 3 channes left and 3 right to the L and Right in the Epic?

E-Take the 2 XLR's to the A-Box ( http://woodencamera.com/A-Box-EPIC-SCARLET.html )



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THIS: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ology_CYX_403M_Stereo_Mini_Phone_Male_to.html DOES IT WOTK WITH THE A-BOX TO SPLIT LEFT AND RIGHT AND WHAT XLR inputs are considered L and R?

Thanks
 
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