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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Why 4K?

I have a 50" 1280x768 Plasma that was $10,000 10 years ago. Still using it today. We use it next to a 42" LCD that was $600.
 
Steve Das said:
480P flat screens over $3,000....wow..curious what year was that ?
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I bought a 480p plasma (Pioneer) for about $3200 back in '98 I think and that was a 42" and that price was a hell of a deal. A 36" flat-screen Sony VVEGA, 480p capable, ran about $3K around that same time period or a year or so before. This was when DVD was just hitting the market and DVD players, the cheapest ones available, were still priced about $1K.

I know someone who bought a plasma about about 2 years or so before me, the generation before mine, when they first hit the market and he paid close to $12K for it. But it was awesome -- a TV you could hang on the wall!!! I remember waiting for over a year to buy a DVD player until prices dropped to below $500, which actually didn't happen and I gave in and bought a Sony player for $599. But the year before, the predecessor model was $1100. My $599 Sony DVD player was bought in December of '98. I know that for a fact because I got married in January '99 and I had wrapped the DVD player up and tucked it in with some other wedding gifts and pretended I didn't know who it was from. I figured that was a good way to not have to justify the purchase. Hehe... The wife found out a year later when my brother blabbed to her about it. Last time I trust him with anything. It was funny though, she was really concerned she couldn't figure out who gave us a $600 DVD player and no card or tag or indication of who it was from.

I was in WalMart the other day and saw the entry-level Sony Blu-Ray on special for $119.95 and it included 2 Blu-Ray titles. 40" Samsung 1080p LCD for $629...
 
Steve Das said:
480P flat screens over $3,000....wow..curious what year was that ?
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Try near $20K for a plasma screen when I looked at them first while working for a defense contractor around '97.

For the public - here's some info from Wikipedia -"in 1997, Philips introduced a 42-inch (107 cm) display, with 852x480 resolution. It was the only plasma to be displayed to the retail public in 4 Sears locations in the US. The price was US$14,999 and included in-home installation"
 
Ryan Sims said:
Try near $20K for a plasma screen when I looked at them first while working for a defense contractor around '97.

For the public - here's some info from Wikipedia -"in 1997, Philips introduced a 42-inch (107 cm) display, with 852x480 resolution. It was the only plasma to be displayed to the retail public in 4 Sears locations in the US. The price was US$14,999 and included in-home installation"
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I would have hesitated at the price at first- but the free home install made the 15K well worth it. :lol::rolleyes::wink5:
 
Panel proces

Panel proces

I still have a 36" wide 480p Panasonic plasma as my main TV, which looks great fed when with HD resolution signals.

At least seven years old and I think list price was $3,200.... although I bought it as a refurbished unit for a fair bit less than that....
 
Stuart English said:
I still have a 36" wide 480p Panasonic plasma as my main TV, which looks great fed when with HD resolution signals.

At least seven years old and I think list price was $3,200.... although I bought it as a refurbished unit for a fair bit less than that....
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That is pretty ironic. That YOU still have an SD TV for your main TV!

After being at work and looking at 4K so much - I have trouble watching HD TV on an HD plasma. The compression artifacts are pretty damn bad. I'm curious to see the picture quality of Apples forthcoming iTV.
 
The first "flat panel" I bought was a 26" refurbished LCD for my bedroom about 8 or 9 years ago. However it's funny that almost everyone I talk to got their first "flat panel" TV through some kind of special deal (i.e. refurbished/"special deal"/etc..) It makes sense though b/c they were pretty neat back then so first chance at a fair price and I was in.
 
Compression

Compression

After being at work and looking at 4K so much - I have trouble watching HD TV on an HD plasma. The compression artifacts are pretty damn bad.
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That's so true. One of the joys of watching a 4K RED RAY movie is that despite consuming about a third less bandwidth than an ATSC digital 1080i HDTV broadcast, there are none of those annoying MPEG macro-blocking compression artifacts.

p.s. maybe there is an advantage in watching HDTV signals on a 480p plasma: down sample = noise reduction.. :-)
 
Oh come on Stuart, you can't keep teasing the wonders of Red Ray when the rest of us are stuck with Blu-ray. I mean, even Red Ray at 1080p should kill AVC/VC-1 encoded BD discs!
 
RED RAY to 1080p

RED RAY to 1080p

Actually the 1080p you really need to see is the 4K RED RAY output, downscaled to feed a native 50" 1080p plasma display :-)
 
Stuart English said:
Actually the 1080p you really need to see is the 4K RED RAY output, downscaled to feed a native 50" 1080p plasma display :-)
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don't tease us Stuart, we all would love to see 1080p out of a RED RAY, but that's just not gonna happen anytime soon, is it? That is unless you having one hiding in your office in Austin and are willing to let me stop by with a case of Shiner and some Tito's Vodka!

KO
 
IF RED RAY comes along, this will dominate the Digital Cinema Projection Market.. the same as what happened with the red one camera.. DCP is pain.. and consumes a lot of energy (Storage/Bandwidth/Time to Create)..
all the time I was creating DCP packages I was dissappointed that all this tech will be obselete after RED RAY..hope it comes faster so we don't get much stuck with DCP system..
 
Those posting earlier that VOD will replace DVD / Blueray clearly dont read the papers or Neilson. digital downloads on music in the US flatlined this year, DVD sales have declined & suffer serious price erotion but Blueray sales are still rising albeit not enough to replace DVD. VOD is not taking off in the way it was predicted to do the only part of the market to see increases is the box office due to 3D ticket prices.
Content is getting cheaper to shoot but budgets are falling and outside of event movies globally numbers of shows are falling the simple factor is the weakness of the sell through market in TV and consumers in the wake of the worst recession since the 1930s plus piracy means the ROI is much harder and less attractive to serious money.
 
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