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Vimeo and copyright laws - any thoughts?

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Morning all,

Just had a video flagged on upload for breach of copyright with music.

Ive never been a big fan of putting up work on youtube, and i much prefer vimeo. IMO vimeo has a cleaner player and looks much much nicer when embeded, among other things.

Now that you will have to use licensed music on vimeo, will people be looking elsewhere for the housing of their content?

Obviously for non-personal jobs, this wont be a problem, but for personal work and the like, does anyone else use anything other then youtube or vimeo?

Whats your thoughts on the vimeo music copyright situation?

Thomas
 
Why on earth would you feel you can post work with music for which you don't have permission?
 
Is this something new in Vimeo or has it been happening for some time? I also got a video flagged today
 
Thomas Stockwell said:
Well for personal work which has no advertising/sales benefits, with credits written below, i wouldnt think is such a problem?
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It is still copyright infringement. If you wrote a new song and used Beyonce's music video images to showcase it, would that be OK?
 
Thomas Stockwell said:
I would think so. Beyonce is very attractive. If you could arrange that i'd be very pleased. Thanks in advance.
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I am sure she - and the folks who shot those images - would have no problem with that. Go for it. Copyright is just a technicality anyway, rght?
 
We live in an age where people don't want to pay for anything - music, software, content, etc.

Now it's become an industry - Spotify, etc.

I know a number of millennials who genuinely think paying for content is something only the uninformed do. They grew up getting it for free, and assume only old people "pay for it".

Youtube and Vimeo looked the other way for years. Only now that they're industry giants have they decided to be more observant of copyright laws, etc.

But along the way many have developed bad habits and assume it's ok to use whatever imagery and music they feel fit. When, in truth, legally it's NOT OK. If it's not yours, you can't use it. It's that simple.

But it's also reality. We live in an age where content and creation no longer have boundaries.

Presumably, it's only a matter of time before a NEW video platform emerges...and like it's predecessors it will LOOK THE OTHER WAY, and this cycle will repeat AGAIN...and AGAIN...and AGAIN.

Unless you are a MAJOR PLAYER, CONTENT is no longer profitable.

PERSONALITY is.
 
Thomas Stockwell said:
Morning all,

Just had a video flagged on upload for breach of copyright with music.

Ive never been a big fan of putting up work on youtube, and i much prefer vimeo. IMO vimeo has a cleaner player and looks much much nicer when embeded, among other things.

Now that you will have to use licensed music on vimeo, will people be looking elsewhere for the housing of their content?

Obviously for non-personal jobs, this wont be a problem, but for personal work and the like, does anyone else use anything other then youtube or vimeo?

Whats your thoughts on the vimeo music copyright situation?

Thomas
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Be aware that even if you host the content even on your own web server if it's found and you don't have the proper permissions or licensing you will have bigger issues such as cease and desist letter and potentially a lawsuit. Some hosting companies will actually shutdown your entire website for activity like this. While it's very much the wild west out there in internet land and many get away with a lot of things, you may have caught on that there's a growing trend to reduce piracy and copyright infringement.

It's best to find royalty free music, get the appropriate permission to use other's work, or create your own.
 
Agree with Terry, Nick and Phil here.

It's not hard to get license music nowadays. Word to the wise, keep receipts of all your purchases, and record all downloads and payments if you use a all you can eat subscription service. It's a pain to prove you own something if it's not explicitly on paper (especially when the site changes owners). The cloud is not permanent ;)
 
It gets complicated to get the right rights, even if the performance you are putting up for performers had the right rights for performance, there might be other permissions to host it, serve it, user to play it, whatever they can think of, an ill defined industry making more money for lawyers than some content might be worth. . You would think industries would wake up to these things and find ways to reduce legal costs.

Is there any central database of rights to content pieces to negotiate rights? Would reduce legals and speed up commerce. If they don't do this government will have to eventually introduce laws for automatic use based on small set share of net to increase commerce and reduce legal costs. The industry would prefer the former


Still, YouTube had this problem and announced some deal years ago, but nobody seems to know anything about it.
 
For music, you may need the music rights, the performance rights and the synchronization rights; all different. And, yes, there are agencies that can help with all this. But it's not usually easy and it's NOT free.
 
All this is really a pedestrian discussion. Of course lawyers make money, as do rights owners - plenty of those owners are the creators. Those creators deserve to get some financial gain from the use of their work. Really simple.

The OP talked about using music in their reel. Not hard to buy license free music online.

Actually, when I do hiring (a lot of it) I'd just turn off the music anyway. I'm not looking for editors, I looking for what's in the image. Frankly, most of the time the music sucks anyway. I say keep it simple.
 
That's the issue Terry, and any other category they can come up with (the sung by Red Herring category too ;( ). A simple database to send you straight to the right representative who you then pay, rather than an agency as well, would be good. We really need a good alternative. If people can click and pay with some usage tracking mechanism, leading to more usage and revenue.
 
Justin, I'm interested in ways to streamline profitable usage of good music, hit or not, with as little between the user and paid owner as possible. In this case usage could go up ten times plus percentage of profit to tights owners. We are having this tied up in licensing traction problem all across society holding back commerce, patenting being a bad example.
 
Understood, Wayne. But often the commerce of capitalism doesn't slice evenly across the board. That means the personal touch when making those music deals. Mostly because artists and their owners of the music want to keep their work from being used in ways that would diminish its value, or ideologically against the artist intent. It's crazy, but that's the commerce of art. Desirable music is expensive - because that's what the market may bear.

But I agree. It's nice to be able to license music online. Which you can do. Some music just needs to be negotiated - not terribly hard.
 
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