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The Update Thread

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Christoffer Glans said:
Would it be better to sell my Weapon 6K MG and deposit a Scarlet-W to get the Epic-W for less than if upgrading from Weapon 6K MG or will there be some good deals for the MG owners who get economically bypassed by Scarlet-W deposit orders? Would be good to know the options before Oct 11.
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Definitely have to agree with you on this one. Just a little info so we know what to do with our investments.
 
Christoffer Glans said:
Yeah, because it's gonna be too late to do any Scarlet-W deposits when the actual list of upgrade options shows up, so it's impossible to know how to prepare for this.

The reason for the low price upgrade to Epic-W for Scarlet-W owners comes from Red acknowledging that they messed up those orders, but in doing so they mess up for people who put down a lot more for MG, so there better be some good deals for MG owners and if the upgrade prices are closer to what Scarlet-W owners get then it's just a newly created mess against MG owners. If Red wants to make Scarlet-W preorders happy with all these deals, then why at the expense of MG owners who were loyal enough to put out big money last November?

- All the info that's been presented in this thread tells that Scarlet-Ws get all the love while MGs might get some leftover treats. People argue that MG owners had their camera while Scarlet-Ws are waiting, but the MGs cost a lot of money and by handing out Epic-W upgrades for a fraction of what MGs have had to put out only creates a new group of Red owners who get's messed up. So the loyal Red owners who jumped the ship back when we were told our Epics and Scarlets were EOL soon, or be super expensive to upgrade, may we get the high end Helium for a similar fraction of the upgrade as Scarlet-Ws do? Or will that just shift the mess over to CF owners then? Cause we who ordered the MGs had to wait almost six months for our MG, how's that different from the slightly longer time Scarlet-W owners had to wait? Especially when some cameras weren't even accessory ready by the time of shipping.

It will be interesting to see the fallout of these upgrades. Will everyone feel happy about it or will the mess of not being able to ship Scarlet-Ws in time just be handed over to MG owners getting bypassed by the fraction of upgrade costs that Scarlet-W owners get. Just switching out one mess for another doesn't seem to be right. It's easy for Scarlet-W owners to cheer about all these news, but us MG owners aren't cheering yet, we have no information at all that points to any benefits of us jumping on the MG wagon back in November.
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To be honest with you, I thought of it from this perspective too. Paid 5k deposit and waited 7months for call up, then another 1 month to sort tru to upgrade vs 1k deposit and 8months waiting is the same in my books but till we know the figures we can't speculate or complain and Jarred has said MG owners are not left overn
 
Wow, I didn't follow this thread for a few weeks, and now I'm completely lost... ^^

So there will be an upgrade path from Epic Dragon to Epic-W, which has an 8K Helium sensor.
Upgrade from Epic Dragon to Epic-W will be "a bit more than $10.000" and a new Epic-W will cost around $30.000.
But if you have a Scarlet-W deposit before October 11th, you will get the opportunity to upgrade to Epic-W for $10.000, which would bring the Epic-W price down to around $20.000 ?
And we don't know yet what Epic-W will be exactly as this info will only be released on October 11th. But at that price point I would guess it will be less powerful than a Weapon Helium, especially regarding framerates ?
We also don't have the exact specs regarding Helium. We know it's 8K super 35, but we don't know its dynamic range, ISO or max framerates. This should also be revealed on October 11th.

Did I get things right ? :confused1:

Thanks :)
 
Nils Ruinet said:
Wow, I didn't follow this thread for a few weeks, and now I'm completely lost... ^^

So there will be an upgrade path from Epic Dragon to Epic-W, which has an 8K Helium sensor.
Upgrade from Epic Dragon to Epic-W will be "a bit more than $10.000" and a new Epic-W will cost around $30.000.
But if you have a Scarlet-W deposit before October 11th, you will get the opportunity to upgrade to Epic-W for $10.000, which would bring the Epic-W price down to around $20.000 ?
And we don't know yet what Epic-W will be exactly as this info will only be released on October 11th. But at that price point I would guess it will be less powerful than a Weapon Helium, especially regarding framerates ?
We also don't have the exact specs regarding Helium. We know it's 8K super 35, but we don't know its dynamic range, ISO or max framerates. This should also be revealed on October 11th.

Did I get things right ? :confused1:

Thanks :)
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Yes. Here some more info about Helium: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?147873-Helium-All-in-One-Thread&highlight=Helium
 
David Grigorian said:
"For all you MG owners that feel like you got trickfucked... don't worry." Jarred Land
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So why the comment that we have to pay around $9500 to upgrade from MG to Epic-W? To compare the pricing between a Scarlet-W with the upgrade price of $10000 to Epic-W makes an equal upgrade from MG to Epic-W based off comparisons of the final prices for both; the realistic "untricked" price for MG to Epic-W upgrades would land around $1000 or less really. Now that isn't the case, so what does that mean? Another accessory credit, when we already have the necessary accessories for our MGs? A greatly lower price to go up to Weapon Helium?

I'm not sure what would actually make MG owners feel like they aren't paying for the Scarlet-W owners to get their Epic-W cheaper. Because essentially, if we MG owners pay $9500 to upgrade to the same camera, we are essentially paying for the difference in price in upgrade price between Scarlet-W and Epic-W compared to the cost of buying a MG and upgrading to Epic-W. So MG upgraders are in some ways paying for the delivery-mess which in the end makes Scarlet-W owners go past MG owners.

Correct me if I'm wrong in my calculations?
 
Christoffer Glans said:
Would it be better to sell my Weapon 6K MG and deposit a Scarlet-W to get the Epic-W for less than if upgrading from Weapon 6K MG or will there be some good deals for the MG owners who get economically bypassed by Scarlet-W deposit orders? Would be good to know the options before Oct 11.
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You have to factor your queue position in! If just order SW now, you will be behind all those switching from Raven, and come EW, you will be behind all the existing SW orders irrespective of when they pull the EW button
 
Jarred, please help,,

Should I upgrade the Epic Dragon to MG Dragon before Oct 11, to get a good deal?

Or should I wait, and pay around the same for Epic-W on Oct 11?
 
Jarred Land said:
Not to bust a good conspiracy but the toasty 4.7" monitors are not the cause for any delays, and Scarlet-W isn't having and production halts from "issues".

We are purely at the mercy of sensors. Over demand under supply which will resolve itself as Helium relieves the higher end pressure.

We should be able to blast through all those that switched from Ravens to Scarlet-Ws in the next few weeks and onward and upward from there.

If July production for Scarlet-W was total shit, August is going to be good, September is going to be great, and October should be Phenomenal from a sensor perspective.
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Hi,
How is spend sensor production to SW in September ? As good as expected ?

I look forward :-)
 
Norbert Niederacher said:
Yes. It would be cool to know all the options before Oct 11. I am scratching my head, I have already a Weapon 6K MG upgrade on order. And the Weapon 6K MG upgrade is a very good deal.
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Yes Norbet.. people seem to quickly forget how good of a deal it was for them to upgrade into Weapon 6k Mg in the first place. Most of them already received basically the same deal to go from their Epic Dragons to Weapon Dragons that Sacrlet-W owners are getting to goto Epic-W but I understand.. people want to double dip.

Its like when you have two kids and one kid falls off his bike and you give him a cookie to make him feel better the other kid throws a temper tantrum and wants a cookie too. I get it..Human nature.

At any rate... As I already said all MG owners can go sideways and pay a bit less than those Scarlet-W guys are getting. And remember, most of you paid net less to upgrade to your MG cameras than Scarlet-W paid to get their cameras in the first place.

The other option unique to MG owners is to to pay 15k to upgrade all the way to the top of the line Weapon Helium 8K ( the $49k camera )

Dragon owners will not be able to upgrade to Weapon MG after October 11th, so if Helium doesn't interest you, and that's the camera you really want, this is your time to get it.

If you have Epic Dragon, you are going to pay more to Upgrade straight to Epic-W than if you had a Weapon MG to Epic-W , and you don't get the great MG accessory package.


 
Jarred Land said:
At any rate... As I already said all MG owners can go sideways and pay a bit less than those Scarlet-W guys are getting. And remember, most of you paid net less to upgrade to your MG cameras than Scarlet-W paid to get their cameras in the first place.

The other option unique to MG owners is to to pay 15k to upgrade all the way to the top of the line Weapon Helium 8K ( the $49k camera )
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Correct me if I am wrong, but this is a great deal because.... As a Mg owner, for $9500 you can go to Epic-W, or for $15,000 you can get an 8K Weapon which is basically the CF Brain with a Helium sensor in it. Plus, you already have the Mg accessory package and if you were like me and upgraded early, you got the accessory credit. So if all is correct, I am looking at having spent $30,000 total for a complete camera package that costs $50k just for the brain. That is a great deal honestly!
 
Jarred Land said:
Yes Norbet.. people seem to quickly forget how good of a deal it was for them to upgrade into Weapon 6k Mg in the first place. Most of them already received basically the same deal to go from their Epic Dragons to Weapon Dragons that Sacrlet-W owners are getting to goto Epic-W but I understand.. people want to double dip.

Its like when you have two kids and one kid falls off his bike and you give him a cookie to make him feel better the other kid throws a temper tantrum and wants a cookie too. I get it..Human nature.

At any rate... As I already said all MG owners can go sideways and pay a bit less than those Scarlet-W guys are getting. And remember, most of you paid net less to upgrade to your MG cameras than Scarlet-W paid to get their cameras in the first place.

The other option unique to MG owners is to to pay 15k to upgrade all the way to the top of the line Weapon Helium 8K ( the $49k camera )

Dragon owners will not be able to upgrade to Weapon MG after October 11th, so if Helium doesn't interest you, and that's the camera you really want, this is your time to get it.

If you have Epic Dragon, you are going to pay more to Upgrade straight to Epic-W than if you had a Weapon MG to Epic-W , and you don't get the great MG accessory package.
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Thanks Jarred, is the 15k MG to 8k Helium an Oct 11th bullet bite, or its there so that if one decides to hold off till Dec, will the 15k still be in play?
 
Abiodun Shote said:
Thanks Jarred, is the 15k MG to 8k Helium an Oct 11th bullet bite, or its there so that if one decides to hold off till Dec, will the 15k still be in play?
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You MG owners will have till Dec. 31st to make up your minds :)

Carbon Weapon Owners don't have a deadline because for them to go to Helium Weapon is just a normal sensor swap... they can do that next year if they want to.
 
Jarred Land said:
You MG owners will have till Dec. 31st to make up your minds :)

Carbon Weapon Owners don't have a deadline because for them to go to Helium Weapon is just a normal sensor swap... they can do that next year if they want to.
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Thanks Jarred. Very interesting developments.
 
So If Epic-W is above MG Weapon... I wonder what Epic W brings in terms of specs.... Nice!!! meantime I am starting to save for Dec 31st. HELIUM Upgrade :) :)

I gotta go back and read to catch up here... hehehehe
 
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So if Epic W is 8K Dragon sensor and we know MG to Helium is 15K upgrade until dec 31st, I wonder what would the upgrade price be from MG to EPIC W... Am I still lost here? A bit confusing... Lol
 
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