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The Update Thread

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I've been peeping instagram and boy that Helium looks mighty fine.

Well done

Perfect Size too

So many Lens I'm glad S35 is sticking around and now in 8K Variation for Future Proof Footage.

Am I getting this right Epic has an Upgrade Path to Helium Sensor? And if so is this MX to Helium or Dragon to Helium or Both?

Crazy!
 
Wondering if the current Weapon boards were designed to Helium's full capabilities as it's been the case previously that the sensors don't reach their full potential until the next gen body/hardware upgrade.
 
I really like the helium name ... Light and super cool. I do love my weapons though, can't wait for my 8k VV. Since my next film is with 8k vv anamorphic as primary and 2nd unit is magnum, I am in no rush to upgrade to helium so hoping there will be a real big upgrade time window from dragon weapon to helium (i.e. I will be finished with the 8k VV film probably late 2017).
 
Hi Jarred,

Any update on the RedVolt I/O Expander Module?

In your June Update, you said to expect shipments at the end of June. It seems like such a straightforward product compared to sensors and cameras that keep coming out of the oven... But such a necessary piece of kit for anyone looking beyond basic I/0. And it's been in the store forever as "Coming Soon."

Really hoping you can get these into the pipeline in the next week or two.

Please advise.

Thanks!
M
 
I am so confused with all the names by red. I have no idea what is new or old anymore
 
Mark Pedersen said:
Hi Jarred,

Any update on the RedVolt I/O Expander Module?

In your June Update, you said to expect shipments at the end of June. It seems like such a straightforward product compared to sensors and cameras that keep coming out of the oven... But such a necessary piece of kit for anyone looking beyond basic I/0. And it's been in the sore forever as "Coming Soon."

Really hoping you can get these into the pipeline in the next week or two.

Please advise.

Thanks!
M
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Sorry forgot that one. Yes indeed we shipped the first pilot batch and the next much much larger batch will go out in two weeks ( 7/22 )
 
Hey I really would love clarification on if epic dragons can go straight to helium or if it needs to become a weapon CF or MG first? How do the sensors differ in terms of specs? Like I've had my vista vision pre order for a while now and if the new sensors are in fact better I wonder what I should do. So currently I have a CF and a epic dragon cuz getting two vista visions wasn't really affordable easily for me. I just hope whatever I need to do to get this second unit to helium is explained in depth in a time frame that permits me an upgrade path? The other thing is if helium is much better specs can all models one day get the upgrade with different sized wafers or is this model offered only in the s35 cut? The more info the better whenever it's available cuz I really depend on the models being work horse rental units and dealing with the predilections of rental facility kit packaging adds more complexity to this for me and typically costs so in order to keep the business model functioning it becomes very important I try to stay somewhat educated on what's going on and with so many diverse options I just hope I can make the right choice...
 
Jarred,

Still looking at getting a batch or two of the new DSMC2 Side Handle out this month?
 
Matt Bass said:
It would be great if the Helium sensor could do simultanious 8k & 4kUHD. And the ability to shoot the full sensor at 4kUHD & Simultanius HD prores. This would be HUGE!
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There's not enough processing power for that at any reasonable compression. Also, RAW is RAW, there's no scaling in RAW so you'd get around s16mm sensor sized 4K if you choose to shoot 4K instead of 8K.
 
Matt Bass said:
It would be great if the Helium sensor could do simultanious 8k & 4kUHD. And the ability to shoot the full sensor at 4kUHD & Simultanius HD prores. This would be HUGE!
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Ok, but what I don't get is don't you guys want more bitrate and more media options? You're ok with 300mbps at 6K and also at 8K as well? And $3,900 for a 1TB SSD? There are high performance 3rd party SSDs out there that have huge read/write speeds such as the Samsung 850 Pro, writing on 2TB SSDs at 520mbps (for a price tag of less than $1,000).

Doesn't it follow logically that if you want to drastically increase resolution, you should also increase how much information can be written accordingly? As for 3rd party SSDs, I get the closed system thing, and the idea that the RED Mag is more stable and serviceable than say a 2TB Samsung 850 Pro. But I also believe that RED should catch up with the times media wise, make higher performance (in terms of read write speeds) SSD options available, and ramp up bitrate right along with resolution.
 
Maybe with the new sensor, RED has new media card format in the waiting? Turn in your Weapon for upgrade, get a new side module badged "Helium". Sort of like the MX > Dragon process... where you'd get the new side engraving of "Dragon", but you could opt for the slow 1.8 or faster Mini-Mags...

As an "on the fence still" Dragon owner, I'm very interested in Helium but want to know more about the color science, DR, etc.

A discussion or tease from RED on image quality / color science improvements would be awesome at this point.


Nicholas Austin Skinner said:
Ok, but what I don't get is don't you guys want more bitrate and more media options? You're ok with 300mbps at 6K and also at 8K as well? And $3,900 for a 1TB SSD? There are high performance 3rd party SSDs out there that have huge read/write speeds such as the Samsung 850 Pro, writing on 2TB SSDs at 520mbps (for a price tag of less than $1,000).

Doesn't it follow logically that if you want to drastically increase resolution, you should also increase how much information can be written accordingly? As for 3rd party SSDs, I get the closed system thing, and the idea that the RED Mag is more stable and serviceable than say a 2TB Samsung 850 Pro. But I also believe that RED should catch up with the times media wise, make higher performance (in terms of read write speeds) SSD options available, and ramp up bitrate right along with resolution.
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Jarred you guys are insane.... Helium reminds me of the Universe Big Bang! this time a RED Big Bang!!! Amazing!!!
 
like some others, I am a bit confused. specially when i see new and sometimes unique camera bodies IE: the 6k dragons made for ficner, and the recent green futuristic pictures ive seen. does "helium" replace the "dragon" like the "MX" before? or is this a whole new world?

i guess a more simple question would be: Can the new Helium sensor be placed into an other camera body like the epic? or more recently like my S-W?
 
Christoffer Glans said:
There's not enough processing power for that at any reasonable compression. Also, RAW is RAW, there's no scaling in RAW so you'd get around s16mm sensor sized 4K if you choose to shoot 4K instead of 8K.
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The current 6k Carbon Weapon can shoot the full sensor at 4kUHD or 6k - not sure if it could do simultaneous 2k ProRes but my guess is yes it can. We have all heard a million times from producers "I don't need 6k" well they are gonna say "I don't need 8k" when the Helium comes out. So why not give us the option to shoot 8k,4K or 2k on the full sensor the Everybody wins!
 
Matt Bass said:
The current 6k Carbon Weapon can shoot the full sensor at 4kUHD or 6k - not sure if it could do simultaneous 2k ProRes but my guess is yes it can. We have all heard a million times from producers "I don't need 6k" well they are gonna say "I don't need 8k" when the Helium comes out. So why not give us the option to shoot 8k,4K or 2k on the full sensor the Everybody wins!
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Because that's not how the RAW works. RAW is RAW, meaning that if you do any kind of down-scale processing in camera it's not RAW anymore. Producers saying "I don't need 6K" don't know anything about downscaling or why you shoot 6K, they think it's gonna be 6K delivery which isn't what it's about. The only reason you would want less resolution is for saving HDD space.

I would recommend that you look into how R3D and RAW works because there ain't gonna be any downscaling ever with Red cameras and RAW, if you want less resolution you will have to crop the sensor, meaning an image closer to s16mm in style..
 
I think a RED Family Tree info-graphic would help clear quite a few things up for newcomers
Oldschool genealogy style.
 
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