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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The times we love...

Well either they have finally woken up to the fact that this is the future (with their camera T-head configuration which sounds 'modular' to me) or they have just copied RED's business model (and in which case means they aren't market leaders)...it would seem odd that they suddenly went to 8k resolution when they can barely do 4k...looks like they are just trying beat RED to deliver an 8k sensor at 120fps.

Such a significant jump in resolution strikes me that they really didn't believe the crap they were saying a few years ago about higher res isn't necessarily a good thing. I would hope they are playing catch up to RED and that RED really do have enough to destroy the competition. This might be strength to the arguement that REDs previously transparent road map is giving the competition a heads up.

Go get 'em RED
 
I love the smell of hot silicon in the morning. Smells like....victory!:coolgleamA:
 
I can see the little spies from Sony, and the other monster companies. Interns, just sitting and trolling. Last week they were exited, Jim said, no more hints to what was coming. They thought that they caught a break. But, BAM, Red is back at it, and the trolls are telling their bosses, "these people do not sleep, and they are from ALL over the world, I am just an intern and I do not need this, I work all day and come in at 8:00am and all hell breaks out, and now they say we are at war."
 
What I love most about Red is that its a camera made by a die hard camera fan. Most others feel like they're suits trying to guess what camera loving filmmakers want. Red will always be on the frontier because of their philosophy. Red has an unwavering vision of what they think a camera should be, simply because there is a fundamental love for cameras and imagery. Others not so much.
 
Liebo said:
What I love most about Red is that its a camera made by a die hard camera fan. Most others feel like they're suits trying to guess what camera loving filmmakers want. Red will always be on the frontier because of their philosophy. Red has an unwavering vision of what they think a camera should be, simply because there is a fundamental love for cameras and imagery. Others not so much.
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While it is clear that RED are fanatical about creating amazing cameras.... it is a little disrespectful to think that the engineers and thinkers at Sony etc are any different. They may have to answer to more bean counters and managerial types than RED staff... but when it comes to the top end, like the F65, I can only imagine they are just as passionate and excitable about their cameras. Sony do produce a large number of films, you know... there is plenty of passion for the industry.

I'm not trying to be pro sony here... just playing devil's advocate.
 
At the risk of sounding like a total pussy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy

Total war is NEVER good.

Rally cries to total war…not good.

OK so the occasional scrap to maintain your position and then some, fine.

Looking through various company histories, there really are a couple of notable examples (Intergraph comes to mind). Even if you have some of the most promising technologies on the planet and IP, if (for example) something of the scale of the Win-tell juggernaught is minded to fuck with you, you pretty much stay fucked, or are forced to retreat from an area that was originally “yours”.

The sad reality is, if things get nasty and the teams of Lawyers need to get involved, you are then totally mired in one of the most miserable battles imaginable (think WWI). Absolutely soul destroying, you will spend many millions of dollars and several years just to determine which state the case should be tried in (Bastards…).

I personally thought that the initial attempts that the SONY marketing guys made to introduce the idea of the Q 67 (for example) was a little dodgy/almost reprehensible (very misleading)… These guys have massive patent portfolios if they are minded to do so they can haul you in to court and try to sue you for using a low level technology that you didn’t even know that you were using that they happen to own… that everybody else is using for free. It gets very ugly.


The Red family of products are amazing, and has been said many times before, folks that need and want to buy RED will; Jim has indeed (in my opinion brought into existence a true Digital Cinema Camera) and he is taking that “space” very well.

The reality is that you can’t operate in vacuum no matter how many products that you deliver to offer a complete workflow solution. Like it or not you/we are in a larger “technocratic” eco system. You just can’t get around that. I.e. you still have to do business with these guys (i.e. your competitors). There are many examples of competitors basically benefiting from cross licensed technologies and so on. I.e. if you have a stake in your competitor’s company, it’s not always a bad thing… [Things seem to be presented in rather black and white terms].


I think Theodore Roosevelt’s idea “walk softly and carry a big stick” is a better ideology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology
Roosevelt described his style of foreign policy as "the exercise of intelligent forethought and of decisive action sufficiently far in advance of any likely crisis".
This seems to be a better approach (I think).

Even if your competitors pick up the phone and say “Dude… we are going to fucking burry you”, there are ways to deal with that. SONY et al will have the good sense not to fuck with RED… (I hope)…

I think with RED equipment in hand it’s better to act like the cat that’s got the cream, rather than say FUCK SONY! (for example). (Unless SONY are really trying to fuck with you... ;)
 
"SONY et al will have the good sense not to fuck with RED"
That's the problem Sony et al rarely have good sense in terms of the pro customer.
 
It's going to be fun to be part of it!

Best Stephen
 
Go get'um Guys... Ive followed RED since NAB 07... Never owned or been lucky enough to work with RED products... not because I dont want to (give my left nut to have an R1 years ago or even now) but because we are a small time short film production company, but thats what I love wouldnt change it for the world, love my crew, love our cast. And soon will love my scarlet... now that I know its up next im putting my scarlet money back in the bank...
 
I always find it fascinating to look back at film history and note the periodic leaps in visual quality as new lens & film stock technologies take hold (the 1970's always springs to mind in this respect). I think people in the future will look back at this period as one of those times when visual quality really started to accelerate to whole new levels....very exciting times to be part of & much kudos should go to Red for this :thumbup1:
 
Jannard said:
1080P has finally been exposed once and for all. It never was "good enough". God love Sony for helping to spread this message.
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This is an observation of historic proportions, really...almost like Jim saying, "a worthy digital replacement for film has been accepted as an industry standard at last...now we can get started."

RED ONE MX was really only the second pitch in the first inning of the game...holy crap.
 
Nobody is being disrespectful to Sony or questioning their passion for producing films. Their camera products such as the F65 are definitely first class. However, I don't think some companies are on the absolute bleeding edge of creating digital cameras the way Red are. Thats what I like about Red. They take cameras I could only dream of and make em. Again this is my un-scientific opinion based on what i would love to shoot a movie with.
 
Jim,

Never forget the reason why so many supported you in the beginning... For me personally, "what you do" is only a fraction of the total equation. "Why you do it" holds a much larger share. I buy a product because it fulfils a need. But I support and evangelise a company because I subscribe to their philosophy. I'm at a crossroads: you just changed your philosophy to one I don't agree with (though I understand it). But, you've recaptured my attention with this one... The real question remains "why are you fighting?" I guess time will tell.
 
Kyle Mallory said:
Jim,

Never forget the reason why so many supported you in the beginning... For me personally, "what you do" is only a fraction of the total equation. "Why you do it" holds a much larger share. I buy a product because it fulfils a need. But I support and evangelise a company because I subscribe to their philosophy. I'm at a crossroads: you just changed your philosophy to one I don't agree with (though I understand it). But, you've recaptured my attention with this one... The real question remains "why are you fighting?" I guess time will tell.
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I’m not digging it either… (the posturing I mean…) [The not showing your hand thing (makes sense)].

This seems or feels like a weird tipping point.

Amazing technologies, not “nice to have” but MUST have tech… (seriously).

I really don’t understand? What’s going on (or down)?

Yours (confusedly)?
 
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