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The Scarlet Speculation Thread!

Offhollywood said:
Personally, I still speculate that it will be a (very good) fixed lens - and UNDER $1,499.

And it will look good next to my new 3G 2nd-gen iPhone.
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You just blew my mind!

Mark, your post reminds me of the Priceline commercial where the guy is going to offer $180 for a hotel that normally costs $200 a night, then William Shatner shows up and eggs him on until he offers $99.

"Now you're negotiating."
 
Häakon said:
I'm with Gavin... CF is a saving grace of the RED ONE and I'd love to see it carry over to Scarlet. Solid state acquisition is the best way, hands down!
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Or ExpressCards. Those would be good too. Just nothing that spins or whirs.
 
im.thatoneguy said:
I don't remember where I saw the link but someone announced a $150 1080p camera at CES that shoots to SD Cards.

Come'on Jim. Don't let the chinese out do you.

S16mm
PL Mount
2k
integrated 3.5" display
CF Cards.

$1000
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I'm actually hoping for something more in the 5 inch range minimum. This thing will no doubt be shooting some flavor of HD and if you can't at least pull focus with it then it's completely useless imo.

And I'm assuming that Jim won't throw in some crappy "everything is always in focus" sized chip with autofocus only.
 
I think that this camera will not be 4k. I also suspect it will be more of an ENG style with an option to shoot raw. The reason for this is when shooting Redone the footage needs to be graded first either through redcine or red alert. This process alone may scare away many prosumer and ENG style users. I also think that coming out with a camera that costs 10k or more is getting too much into the realm of competing with Red One which this Camera is not designed to do. (I believe Jim has stated that)

I am not sure this new pocket camera will have interchangeable lenses. While many on this forum believe that a camera must have interchangeable lenses to be considered pro, I am not one of those. Many Pro wedding shooters, corporate video shooters, documentary shooters do not use cameras with interchangeable lenses. These professionals and others such as VFX artists will be very interested in this camera. If you want a camera that has interchangeable lenses 2k or 4k raw well I know the perfect camera for you it's called the "Red One" ;)

Keep up the speculating though it is great fun to read and see everyone’s opinions

P.S. I have absolutely no inside information and my thoughts are pure speculation.
 
yevlar said:
...could be with scalable Firmware. i.e. Have the 4k Mysterium sensor in the camera, but have the option of buying, say, 2K-only firmware for a sub-$10,000 price tag, with the option to upgrade to 4K-capable firmware for an additional cost at a later date...
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Ripoff.
Having everything necessary inside and you even paid it, is just plain Autodesk.
If its in the cam, its paid.
Want to have a Mercedes for the price of a VW, just by applying stripped-down firmware ?
 
Offhollywood said:
you got some big pockets ...
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some guys say HVX, DVX size...is a pocket size?
the pocket size relative in this thing...

the very little pocket cams like a Sanyo Xacti HD series is a gadget pocket size and unusable for pro filmmakers

optimal size and optimal weight and balance is very important in this thing
my little cinema rig (HV20+vibration 35mm DOF adapoter+rod support+top handle)
is 2 kg / 4.5lbs and i say is maybe to light ...sometimes not enough for minimize the handshake in run and gun situations...
but not bad ;)

sorry my bad english
 
suta said:
the very little pocket cams like a Sanyo Xacti HD series is a gadget pocket size and unusable for pro filmmakers

optimal size and optimal weight and balance is very important in this thing
my little cinema rig (HV20+vibration 35mm DOF adapoter+rod support+top handle)
is 2 kg / 4.5lbs and i say is maybe to light ...sometimes not enough for minimize the handshake in run and gun situations...
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I agree, My present rig is a based around a 'pimped' Gy-HD100 on rails with matte box, follow focus, hard disk etc. and its about 4.5kg and its its nicely balanced for run and gun.

Have to say I not to hot on the mini-cam idea. Silly as it sound, it would be kinda hard to explain to my clients why I shooting their projects with a security camera :waaa:
 
suta said:
some guys say HVX, DVX size...is a pocket size?
the pocket size relative in this thing...

the very little pocket cams like a Sanyo Xacti HD series is a gadget pocket size and unusable for pro filmmakers

optimal size and optimal weight and balance is very important in this thing
my little cinema rig (HV20+vibration 35mm DOF adapoter+rod support+top handle)
is 2 kg / 4.5lbs and i say is maybe to light ...sometimes not enough for minimize the handshake in run and gun situations...
but not bad ;)

sorry my bad english
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I would see something like the Leica M4 as the ideal form factor. If you need it to be heavier for some use, just add a big battery, recording device and shoulder mount.

I do not see the Scarlet as a poor man's Red One, I see it as something you can take with you when you're hiking or when you need to be really unobtrusive or when bulk and weight is severely restricted.

We need a Leica of the movie world. The Leica made history because it could be used in places where the typical 4x5" camera of the day could not go. It was not a cheap alternative, it was a small alternative. It needed different techniques to show its best sides, you could not use it as if it were a small big camera and expect good results.

Maybe Red needs to make three cameras, one for cinema, one for ENG and documentaries, and one true pocket camera with interchangable lenses and top quality.
 
I am sure this is why RED started this thread. I for one have no use
for a "pocket cam" I have tried several and all were POS (piles of shit)
What we need is a 1080 P camera that will blow away the HVX and HDV camcorders.
 
Red Guy said:
I am sure this is why RED started this thread. I for one have no use
for a "pocket cam" I have tried several and all were POS (piles of shit)
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None of the current 'pocket cams' on the market are designed or intended for pro use, they are consumer products - but that doesn't mean that if someone did it right they wouldn't be great tools for pros. I have an aiptek pocket HD camera which is a POS - and should be since it cost $125. It records crappy 720p to sd cards, and I'd never use it for real work - but it's fun to play with and gets me thinking about unusual ways/places to shoot because of it's small size. I also keep it in my bag with me everywhere I go. More than that though, it makes me think of the potential there for someone to do the same thing but as a true pro camera.

Red Guy said:
What we need is a 1080 P camera that will blow away the HVX and HDV camcorders.
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I don't think that's what we need - there's already a ton of cameras and competition in that space. I just don't see a lot of room for anyone to 'blow away' the current cameras like those - what features would do it? 4k? Interchangeable lenses? Redcode RAW? Adding just one of those things wouldn't be enough, adding all of them and you're talking about Red One. A lot of the speculation here seems to be people that basically want a Red One that is price-competitive with an HVX - and as others have said if they could have they would have, and even if they could I can't see any way you could realistically describe that as a pocket camera.

Oldphart's right, we need the equivalent of a leica M for filmmakers - and I don't mean in terms of form factor but in terms of it's place in a filmmaker's toolset. Continuing from the 5 things thread:

oldphart said:
I do not think it is realistic to get more than s16 @2k+ because of power and cooling considerations, though. If it were possible to pack the s35 electronics into a pocket-sized case, that would have been the Red One.
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I'm not sure about this... the reason I spec'd s35 is because I see it having a 1080 resolution. We've already got very small, high res sensors in video and still cameras, and we have large, high res sensors in high end DSLRs and R1. We haven't seen much with a large, relatively low res sensor, which I think might drop the power and cooling requirements enough to make it work while also being truly revolutionary. It would give us a camera with absolutely incredible low light capabilities - perfect for shooting anywhere at any time with available light while still creating amazing looking images.

I also don't see autofocus as part of the equation - while I'm sure some will argue over whether it's a professional feature or not, I don't think it'll be an issue. With the large, low res chip sensitivity should be enough that in run & gun situations you could just stop down and have sufficient DOF that focus is no longer critical. No autofocus = less size/complexity & better battery life.
 
The way I envision Scarlet is a 4K HV20; fixed lens (really good) and auto and manual everything shooting into cf at whatever price that takes.
Aloha
-A
 
watergate said:
Search at uspto. Click search, then basic search, use Red.com as the search term and set "Field" to ALL:
http://www.uspto.gov/main/trademarks.htm

There are some tasty spoilers in there.
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http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=aohrcv.5.48
:calm:

Of course they could be throwing us for a wild goose chase because they also trademarked "MicroHD" and then abandoned it.... Which I suppose might really mean 2k.

I'm still gunning for S16 Mysterium 2k.


Edit: Also interesting is that RED reserves the RED Cinema trademark for digital white boards.... ok. Doubt we'll ever see that.
 
im.thatoneguy said:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=aohrcv.5.48
:calm:

Of course they could be throwing us for a wild goose chase because they also trademarked "MicroHD" and then abandoned it.... Which I suppose might really mean 2k.

I'm still gunning for S16 Mysterium 2k.


Edit: Also interesting is that RED reserves the RED Cinema trademark for digital white boards.... ok. Doubt we'll ever see that.
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Hmm, hate to be speculative at this stage, but MicroHD might even be an previouse name to Scarlet, or conflict with another product (sounds familiar).

I have been thinking of ergonomic video production equipment design for over ten years, and this Red Cinema digital white board things sounds interesting from an number of possible angles. Such an system would be interesting for editing, or multi camera control (with small enough display). I often considered such designs for document editing over the last 20 years (my sort of design work needs 6 or more pages open at once for cross referencing) and considered an design for video ten years ago.

Jim, is there anything to this digital white board?
 
Makes sense that its 2K as all of the FCP etc integration code would already be written. 4K was always unlikely both because of form factor, red one protection, cost and BATTERY LIFE! LCD viewing looks likely and would leverage te screen used on the red one in a built in form factor. Touch screen would mean miniaturisation but hopefully very intuitive...ala SI2K....no drilling sown through endless pages on pages to get to something that shoud be at the touch of a button. Interchangeble lenses would make sense and would allow a bigger camera to sli into the pocket camera class. Less output option....mini XLR x 2 for input, HDMI out only, timecode. Running on existing battery platforms. If SI can do a mini as a block camera with all of the network contol in the head then Red should be able to add compact flash recording and save real estate. Just look at how much of a camcorder is tape or disk transport, lens and zoom rocker and microphone!

Fence
 
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