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THE M8 (008) Discussion thread

Peter Chang said:
WOW! Congrats Steve and Ketch! What a historic, page-turning thread (just read all 28 pages in one sitting)! Thanks to your team for all the generous, drool-inducing coverage so far. Bravissimo! Now get some sleep!
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Thanks Peter! We've had some amazing experiences this past four days - and in essence they're just beginning. Thanks for reading the whole thread! I think its easy to feel how stoked our crew has been to team up and put this amazingly cool camera into the natural world. Its a "buzz" that's just really hard to describe - but I hope somehow our posts, pics, and behind the scenes video provide a window into the process, the stoke, and the results then we've met our goal.

Sleep is next - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Thanks to you all again for the kind words of support, this is what makes us work double time to insure that we not only test the camera
to its fullest capacity, but also to put together BTS Videos and Photo galleries for your enjoyment, we wish that as many as possible of
you could be here with us, but since this is not possible, we like to do as much as we can to make you fill less far away and closer to
your EPIC DAY!!

Since I was little I always enjoyed the BTS of every Movie I ever seen, and now as an adult and Passionate Filmmaker this has grown so
much that it is almost an obsession of mine, were some times I indeed love more the BTS and the Making of a movie then the Movie it
self, and also get a bit frustrated when I buy and or rent a Blue Ray movie that does not have the BTS and or Making of.

For this very reasons, you can count that of anything I am involved in Filming and or Photoshoots with our Epic cameras, it will be amply
documented with Photos and BTS Videos to share with all of you.

As Steve said, we are trying to bread a little and take a moment rest, especially for me at this altitudes that we have been shooting and
my conditions, as well as we will be heading back to Cali early morning, so need to rest, but an other great Photo gallery of just about
200 pictures, as well as an other great Video of the BTS at the Ski resort is coming to you, in the next day or two.

Oh BTW.. did I say that this is just but the first of already half Dozen EPIC M8 Shoots scheduled in this month alone?

Since Steve is going to have a pretty Busy schedule with other projects, EPIC M8 is coming to California with me, and while Steve will
come to California to work together on certain projects with EPIC M8, I will be taking advantage of those times that we are not working
together to Shoot EPIC M8 on some Shoots that I am organizing, and for this I like to take this opportunity and come out and WARN
those with a Heart issue and that don't like Girls, they should stop watching this thread soon after we post this last BTS Video and Photo gallery
of our Utah Shoots... things are going to get really HOT, but don't worry, I'll be wearing Fire-retardant Gloves :devil:

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EPIC/ATOM Ready for 3D ;)
DEEP ATOM Coming Soon ;)

 
David Rasberry said:
Thanks to all you guys for the hard (fun) work. Your continuous smiles say it all.
Can't wait for the "hot" stuff after all the "cold" stuff Ketch. We all wish we could be there and look forward to the footy and more. :emote_popcorn:
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Thanks David,

yeah we have been working hard... or have we been Hardly working...
Humm, not sure which one is it, he he.

The second and last Photo gallery and our fourth and last BTS video from
this fantastic Trip to Utah, will be done later tonight/tomorrow, as we are on
the way back to California, you will love it ;)

Then our first footage from EPIC will come on line ;)

Then Away form Steve's supervision I will unleash the girls on Epic M8, he he! :devil:



AnthonyFlores said:
Hahahaha. Crazy but I definitely believe you -- will be an inspiration for my coming work with the Red One and eventually Epic. Thanks Ketch :)
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Yeah wait to see what we are cooking up Anthony...

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EPIC/ATOM Ready for 3D ;)
DEEP ATOM Coming Soon ;)

 
This crew worked together with passion and great energy! With some crews I find people just going through the motions - but this crew was tireless, committed, and worked as one.

This morning as the crew packs up to leave Gibby Ranch, I'll be giving each of them a big high five and hug for a job unbelievably well done. In essence they're family - but just a small group of the overall Red worldwide Red family. They've donated their time to bring all of you out there reading these posts, and seeing these BTS pics and video, a window into what its like to receive an Epic, handle it, set it up, and take it out into the field and shoot it.

I offer a huge thanks to Ketch, Pam, Michael, and Joseph. You seriously rock :thumbsup:

Ketch, Michael, and Joseph leave today, but while they're on the road I'll be here at the Ranch, online off and on today to answer your questions post more photos and my impressions of Epic M8.

This morning early I put some black cloth on our kitchen table and shot some final pics of Red One 0008 and Epic M 0008 together. There was some incredible Red history sitting there in front of me on the table as I shot those photos. My mind was running back to August 2007 when I took delivery of Red One 0008. In some ways that seemed like yesterday - but in others it seemed like a decade ago.
 
Thanks David and Mike. This was a team effort, and speaking for crew let me say that we've been way happy to share our M8 adventures with everyone here on Red User, and we'll keep posting a lot more of our impressions, photos, BTS video, and in the days to come some raw stills and short edited motion clips.

Each of this crew took almost 6 days out of our normal working schedules to launch Epic M8 into the production world - unboxing, setup, shooting, processing and posting photos, video, backing up, and now shortly processing the raw files. All of you who've done field production know how much logistics and hard work something like this is to pull off. The entire crew lost money this week from ignoring our normal work - but each (including myself) would do it the same way over again. I'd like to think that each of you would do the same thing if you were placed in our position.

Our opinions on the camera are just that - our opinions filtered through our industry experience. Hopefully that insight will help many of you here to understand what using an Epic is like.

Yes, we'll see all of you in Las Vegas for sure!
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Hey Anthony,
Wil be doing a High End Fashion Shoot with EPIC M8 on a Gitzo with Ball head in the next few days in California,
so you also get to see the EPIC in Photoshoot action ;)
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Hi Ketch,

Thanks for your commitment posting on Redforum and helping us, still waiting to get our hands on an EPIC, calm down.

I am really curios about the strobe capabilities of the Epic and maybe you could tell me. Is there any hotshoe or any way to connect it to a strobe or a flash?. I asked this question few times, but haven't got a clear idea about it.

I think EPIC is an amaizing camera but I think if it wants to compete in the photo market, it needs to have a way to connect to strobes. Are you going to do the fashion shoot with them or just use continues lighting like HMIs.

Thank you,

Ivan
 
Thanks Graham...

Is the place you live in BC or Alberta? Its easier for us to get to western Canada than the east. In past years we've shot in lots of places in both BC and Alberta, but only once with Red, and that was in Calgary.
 
Hi guys,

just wanted to make a quick stop (we literally just got our foots in the door of my place in california) as we are back ';)

Tonight wil edit both the Photo Gallery and BTS video from the Ski Resort shot and will post it, likely by tomorrow evening.

Give us and our Post crew few days and will have the EPIC M8 Footage done as well ;)

Need to give a BIG Thanks you to Steve Gibby and Pam, for the Warm Hospitality in their Beautiful Utah Ranch Home, and once again thank
all fellow Redusers, for the incredible support, we will not let you done, PROMISE, many more BTS Videos and Photo Galleries coming form
the scheduled shoots, and more Footage from EPIC M8 coming every week ;)

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EPIC/ATOM Ready for 3D ;)
DEEP ATOM Coming Soon ;)

 
Thanks Martin...

Yes we were able document another small portion Red history this week. This morning I shot some last still pics of Epic M8 and Red One #8 sitting next to each other on my kitchen table. I kept thinking about all the many experiences I've had with Red #8, and all the cool future things with M8. I love these cameras, and how they've really changed the landscape of how I approach this business.

Its a great time to be in this business! We have lots of camera options now - and I'm just really happy with my choice to adopt Red. Red One is and always will be a great camera - and Epic takes it to the next level.
 
Thanks Ketch! Glad you, Michael, and Joseph travelled safely back to California. It was way cool having all of you here in Utah to help launch Epic M8 into the wilds!

Yes, we'll keep the pics and BTS video coming. The more I look at them, the more stoked I am that we got the crew together and had so much fun with M8!
 
Steve Gibby said:
Our opinions on the camera are just that - our opinions filtered through our industry experience. Hopefully that insight will help many of you here to understand what using an Epic is like.
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"Our opinions filtered through our industry experience" is exactly what I was hoping for.

Steve, I can really relate to your hybrid shooting style and camera setups.

Reading what you have posted, not only recently with your EPIC experience, but all of your past posts, about both your professional and personal experiences, has helped make REDUser a great community. I'm convinced both you and Pam are the finest kind of people to have as friends and to work with. Let Pam know her photos are greatly appreciated!

Ketch, you lucky dog you! We've talked a number of times on the phone and all I can say is you are a first rate guy! Enjoy this! You deserve nothing less.

Michael and Joseph, you guys must really be amazing to have been able to become part of this!

So thank you all for your hard work and willingness to share this with us!
 
Thanks for your comments Robert...

If you were there with us I'm sure you'd have been smiling right along with us! I'll tell Pam what you said about her photos. She has really blossomed as a still photographer. She now has a Canon 5D and a nice range of top-level Canon lenses. She has natural talent and a good work ethic to go along with it - and when she cooked for our hungry crew there were even more smiles.

Ketch did deserve me bringing him in as part owner of Epic M8. He's a great guy, and we've worked many projects together since 2007. It was essentially an easy decision to bring him in as part owner of the camera.

I'm sure I can join in with Ketch in saying that Michael, Pam, and Joseph absolutely delivered for us this week. They flat out did great work.

Btw - I just posted on the Recon M8 thread a few pics and impressions of the Red 17-50 on M8, which was my setup rig yesterday evening. Check it out...
 
Steve Gibby said:
I just posted on the Recon M8 thread a few pics and impressions of the Red 17-50 on M8, which was my setup rig yesterday evening. Check it out...
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I just read it. Nice compact rig.


Steve Gibby said:
I've attached three pics of that camera setup. Check out how small the rig looks on the front seat of my Nissan Xterra. The camera is so each to haul around for mobile work.
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I'm looking forward to see how you will configure your hand held rigs. Now that you have the camera, any thought on this?
 
I own both the standard Marsupial Cine Saddle, and the Mini Saddle. When we rigged for the car top shots with Epic M-8, I selected the standard one to keep the camera and matte box well above the roof-line and luggage rack. The Marsupial has a hollow pocket in the center which stores some small brackets for mounting the Saddle on car hoods. I don't use those because I simply use motorcycle tie down straps.

For all around use with Epic I'd recommend the standard model, either Marsupial or original. But here''s the kicker: Epic outfitted with the Bomb EVF or 5" LCD, powered by the small Red Volt batteries in the handle, will only have a rig weight of around 12 pounds. That's easily small enough to use on the Mini Saddle. If you have the budget for it, ideally a good Cine Saddle kit for mobile Epic work will include both the Standard and Mini versions.

I love shooting with Cine Saddles when it makes sense. Unless you have to pan and tilt for shots, many times I can get away without even bringing a tripod when I work - I just take a Cine Saddle. The bonus is it also gives you something comfortable to sit on, kneel on, and even rest your head on to take a nap!

I have no business interest with the company that makes Cine Saddles, and never have - their products just happen to work really well in my style of mobile work.

Hope this helps...
 
Steve Gibby said:
I own both the standard Marsupial Cine Saddle, and the Mini Saddle. When we rigged for the car top shots with Epic M-8, I selected the standard one to keep the camera and matte box well above the roof-line and luggage rack. The Marsupial has a hollow pocket in the center which stores some small brackets for mounting the Saddle on car hoods. I don't use those because I simply use motorcycle tie down straps.

For all around use with Epic I'd recommend the standard model, either Marsupial or original. But here''s the kicker: Epic outfitted with the Bomb EVF or 5" LCD, powered by the small Red Volt batteries in the handle, will only have a rig weight of around 12 pounds. That's easily small enough to use on the Mini Saddle. If you have the budget for it, ideally a good Cine Saddle kit for mobile Epic work will include both the Standard and Mini versions.

I love shooting with Cine Saddles when it makes sense. Unless you have to pan and tilt for shots, many times I can get away without even bringing a tripod when I work - I just take a Cine Saddle. The bonus is it also gives you something comfortable to sit on, kneel on, and even rest your head on to take a nap!

I have no business interest with the company that makes Cine Saddles, and never have - their products just happen to work really well in my style of mobile work.

Hope this helps...
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Thanks Steve ... curious, from the images I saw I don't remember seeing you shoot handheld with the Epic (mostly tripod and CineSaddle style). I know you're a big fan of the ET Mantis, will that still be your "go to" support device for handheld shooting with the Epic? And do you hand/eye focus your still lenses on the Mantis? Why not just use a light follow focus? Thanks in advance ....
 
Robert and Anthony,

We just ran out of time on our Utah shooting to slap Epic on my ET Mantis. Also, the subject matter we were shooting simply called for either tripod or Cine Saddle.

Yes, I beta tested the ET Mantis, then I've been shooting shoulder held with it since even before the Mantis' first started to ship. What will I use with Epic? The Mantis would obviously work well. I briefly tested a prototype of the new Red shoulder mount early last year with an Epic prototype mounted - no shooting though, it was an inoperable Epic body at the time. With Epic on that new Red shoulder mount, I noticed how well balanced it was, with a low center of gravity. Once it was on my shoulder, and the front shoulder support bracket was adjusted, I just stood there, took both of my hands off the handles, and walked slowly around the room - pure comfort, no tipping of the rig. Very impressive...can't wait to test the Red shoulder mount out with Epic M8.

I do eye focus, and hand rack focus my Red cameras when using 35mm still lenses - whether the camera is on a tripod, Mantis, Cine Saddle, or on the ground. That feels quite natural to me because I've done a lot of shoulder held B4 2/3" camera work, where the left hand is always on the focus barrel hand racking focus. In that kind of work the right hand in on the lens servozoom unit, operating the start/stop button and the zoom rocker switch. With Epic and a 35mm still lens on a shoulder mount, I'll still rack focus on the barrel with my left hand, while the right hand grasps the Side Handle, where there is a start/stop button and active zoom rocker switch when using Canon electronic, Nikon electronic, and Red electronic lenses with their appropriate electronic (smart) mounts made by Red for Epic and Scarlet.

I never use a follow focus with 35mm still lenses on Red One (or Epic shortly), because I don't like the extra weight and bulk, plus with my hand right on the lens barrel for racking, that is my comfort zone from all my full sized EFP camera shoulder held experience.
 
Steve Gibby said:
I briefly tested a prototype of the new Red shoulder mount early last year with an Epic prototype mounted - no shooting though, it was an inoperable Epic body at the time. With Epic on that new Red shoulder mount, I noticed how well balanced it was, with a low center of gravity. Once it was on my shoulder, and the front shoulder support bracket was adjusted, I just stood there, took both of my hands off the handles, and walked slowly around the room - pure comfort, no tipping of the rig. Very impressive...can't wait to test the Red shoulder mount out with Epic M8.
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Again thanks Steve for taking the time to share your thoughts here.

I'm very interested the RED shoulder mount. I also created a thread about the RED SuperGrip, that was discussed in the early days on REDUser, hoping to bring it back into the attention of Team RED. I think it would be a great tool to use with RED shoulder mount. I was hoping to spark some ideas of ways to use it that could be user programmable.

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=55120

I'm comfortable with ENG/EFP camera work and servo zooms, left hand for focus and occasionally riding the iris, and also in TV studio mode with separate tripod handle mounted controls for zoom and focus.

I could see the SuperGrip becoming indispensable for both handheld mode, and studio mode. In handheld configuration on the RED shoulder mount it could easily use the same wireless protocol as the REDMote. One less wire on the rig.
 
Very good points Robert. Since I work in a similar style as you, I naturally agree with your comments about the broad utility of a Red Super Grip. By far the largest camera equipment buying portion of the entire motion media industry is the EFP industry. Beyond their obvious cine industry uses, Epic and Scarlet have extensive EFP features and utility - thus Red has paid attention to that big EFP industry demand. Also, within the EFP industry, the largest segment, and thus the single largest potential customer base for Red, is the non-hardlined EFP industry. Thus accessories like the Super Grip, or other 3rd party substitutes for it, which have direct appeal to the non-hardlined EFP users, are a massive potential market for Red. I'm sure Red is listening to this feedback...
 
STILL from 5K 96fps MOTION...

KETCH ROSSI said:
Okay guys,

after long 8 hours drive, and 117 emails replied, I tucked a minute to grab this R3D file from 5k 96fps, pass it thru Photoshop, a quick second, blue filter added, NO sharpening, just wanted to give a little taste of what is to come.

EPIC M8 Footage will be Edited and Graded, to be posted in the next few days.

Frame Grab from Footage Soot by Steve Gibby ;)

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