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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

The First Komodo Out in the Wild

So after some time we still have not got much of footage. Never seen that in almost 30 years in business. It looks like production camera might be released before Christmas. Lets hope and be polite and wait.
 
So after some time we still have not got much of footage. Never seen that in almost 30 years in business. It looks like production camera might be released before Christmas. Lets hope and be polite and wait.

Looks like you missed the big 6 hour Jarred interview where he pretty much laid out the plan and timeline. Yellow bodies seem to be going out this week and I can see a couple in the wild already.

There will be a couple other custom colors and then the big Stormtrooper release, then full blown production.

Komodo is happening on a weekly basis as things open back up and more important ramp up. RED literally is still slowly opening as is the rest of the world.


You're sort of being the exact example of a bigger problem going on. And don't worry, you'll see a landslide of camera reviews shortly once that world taps in. But like literally within 2 hours of having the camera requests for test footage came in. Shoot low light! Shoot skin tones! Shoot a cat! Can you test out the 18-1000 T2 lens!

Meanwhile I was patient and do what I do with cameras early on and dig into them. But even that bright song of people "needing footage" got me to setup a real world scene, with skintones, a color chart, well exposed, in focus, and even audio being piped in. A made a long clip so people could test their workflows too. Even got a nice email from a VFX house about getting that out there as it's a useful bit of footage.

The other early folks certainly felt that pressure and got bit here in there while posting lots of footage and screenshots, useful stuff showing DR and all that even. Some stuff that wasn't so pretty either, but there is the pressure coming in.

Meanwhile here I am beating on this thing and testing it in every way imaginable because that's relevant to what I will create professionally with the camera.


Here's a subtle reveal. I've rolled 18 hours of footage in 15 days. It's all of cats. And it's going to bigger and better than the newest musical adaptation. Prepare yourself.

Serious yikes though dude.


So if using your mix pre (not on 32 bit), is it “just as good” as recording audio directly to Komodo?

You also alluded to people giving you flak for recording in 32 bit. Where was that, and what was that all about.

lol. No, a proper field recorder and mixer is better than audio in any of these cameras. In the case of using a decent recorder/mixer and perhaps a preamp what you are trying to do is feed Komodo a better signal mainly due to control over things like clean and kickass preamps, limiters, compressors, etc. Also feeding just audio from many sources down to a stereo input on Komodo.

Early on some of my audio buddies ribbed me hard about using a 32-bit workflow on a film last October, they usually are using a specific brand of recorder which I also own btw, but 32-bit provides a massive dynamic range that truly protects you from insane things that can ruin on set sound. Specifically unexpected things. All my friends who do field sampling, live, and wild track work got it pretty quickly, especially after testing the recorders. Now a bunch of them offer it. I don't think it will be a mandated norm anytime soon, but for those who want to use that workflow for it's strengths it was rather ridiculous to be criticized by people who had zero experience with the technology.

All good. Still though rarely, people still are telling me the human eye can't see beyond 2K and that's really about as far from the truth as you can get. One of these days I'll rant hard on all of this. But I have better things to do especially since "the industry" as a whole has woken up.
 
Heh. Don't ask me how many times I've scaled footage up in 20 years. Though I experiment with various processing methods the answer is pretty close to zero times.

I did some AI based scaling work a few months ago though. Pretty interesting. Not likely what people are going for or expecting. Will help get dated and older content up to snuff for 4K and 8K however.




Unsure if those special formats will come to Komodo as they are really off the beaten path. I'm 90% sure those exist due to military and scientific clients RED has for high frame rate analysis.

Komodo is a tighter ecosystem, but as to what formats end up in there, hard to tell.

Overall though, 2:1, though I love it, it's currently not in there and I don't know if it's fully "needed" as you can extract it so easily from the 17:9 DCI format sensor size.




Cheers Dorian, appreciate that. Some would likely argue I merely an ass to the community, but I do my best :)




It's a cool and unique look if you can get glass to cover it, but be careful for streaking flares. Most people like horizontal and even diagonal, but vertical flare seems to remind people of good old crappy CCD sensors :)




It works much the same way, you can choose to go with MQ for instance. If you are in HQ and need to go to a higher frame rate, it will automagically select MQ as well. Personally I'm truly not bothered by the move to HQ, MQ, and LQ. You can still select what you want, but it also is easier on the mind to enforce a more common workflow of just going with the higher quality/highest data rate possible. In the world of DSMC2 I pretty much shoot 2:1 through 12:1, but really what that actually means is I'm using the lowest compression ratio possible at any given frame rate and format/resolution.


Here was my early morning journal thingy.




I'm mainly using 1TB Angelbird CFast 2.0 cards, but I also film long takes and long form content often and those get me about 1 hour of roll time at 6K 17:9 REDCODE RAW HQ, about 10 more minutes in MQ, LQ as of yet, unknown. I think many will live in the 256GB and 512GB range for day to day filming. I personally wouldn't skimp on media and don't use things like cheaper 128GB and don't use 64GB at all as it doesn't have the data rates to support recording REDCODE RAW or ProRes. There's about 4-6 brands I'd say worth exploring.

The media bay has a removable hatch that reminds me of a miniature truck tailgate and it is indeed removable with a small spring loaded latch. Firstly, I'm super into a protected and contained media bay. But there's certainly some interesting opportunities to feed data out via that CFast 2.0 connection to other drives for higher capacity rolling or perhaps direct to disk workflows. I imagine I'll tinker with that later, but the potenital is there for some fun workflows.

You can see I have mics and all the goodies piped in. Komodo in my opinion is indeed quiet enough for use of an onboard mic. Ideally driven with a good preamp or something that can boost itself. Komodo has preamps and you can adjust the gain, but for lowest signal noise you want to feed it a good quality low noise signal. Traditional sound on set hasn't been a huge deal if you know what you are doing with DSMC2, but Komodo has opened up this door again and I think it's alluring for hot and fast documentary-style work for sure.

Doing weird stuff with Komodo this week. More footage likely at the end of the week once I'm done jogging around.

I still think the difference between HQ and MQ is not significant enough to me. I would prefer MQ to be like 6:1 (and LQ 10:1 or 12:1 maybe).
BUT, awesome feedback nonetheless ! :)
 
Yes I'm a bit confused MQ allows only 10 additional minutes compared to HQ which records ~60 min.
If HQ is 2-3:1 and MQ is 5-6:1 then we should get ~double the recording time no?
 
Yes I'm a bit confused MQ allows only 10 additional minutes compared to HQ which records ~60 min.
If HQ is 2-3:1 and MQ is 5-6:1 then we should get ~double the recording time no?

Seems to me that MQ is more like 4:1 which is why I think the difference between HQ and MQ is not significant enough... But then I remember I come from a cinema school where we shot on film (I graduated in 2011) and on a standard film mag you only get a few minutes of footage (if I remember correctly a 400 feet roll gets you around 10 minutes in 16mm and around 4-ish in 35) so I guess 10 more minutes of footage can do a lot :)
 
If you are in HQ and need to go to a higher frame rate, it will automagically select MQ as well.
That's a great feature!

...what that actually means is I'm using the lowest compression ratio possible at any given frame rate and format/resolution.
I find that the stuff I do tends to be a bit more sensitive to stress on data management. It's not so much hard drives-- it's losing an AC to off-loading, which has to happen right away so that the *other* card is free to use! 6:1 seems to work well for me for a standard lit dramatic kind of thing with decent lenses.
Otherwise, I'm thinking about interviews, where I need good quality, but also need to maximize run time (and am not faced with much movement or other visual complexity). ProRes 422 would usually be where I wind up with these.
In short, figuring out what works for each of us will be part of the adventure.

Continued thanks for all your work on our behalf!
 
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Seems to me that MQ is more like 4:1 which is why I think the difference between HQ and MQ is not significant enough... But then I remember I come from a cinema school where we shot on film (I graduated in 2011) and on a standard film mag you only get a few minutes of footage (if I remember correctly a 400 feet roll gets you around 10 minutes in 16mm and around 4-ish in 35) so I guess 10 more minutes of footage can do a lot :)

But I think it was mentioned somewhere (maybe in the livestream?) MQ was like 5-6:1 ?
I agree MQ at 4:1 would be too close to HQ. RED used to recommend as a good starting point to shoot your resolution (K:1) as compression ratio which indeed works great as a ratio. 6K sensor = 6:1

I'd be very surprised if HQ was 2-3:1, MQ 4:1 and then LQ ?
If that's the case then I'll be missing the choice of ratios very much. Love the flexibility to dial in whatever ratio you want, especially if you've tested a lot of those and know which ones work well in certain scenarios...

Perhaps they should consider an "advanced mode" where you can dial in whatever ratio you want and with the simplified HQ MQ LQ by default for others who like simplicity...
 
Why these stills look to me oversharp, but if you zoom in it looks soft and out of focus ? The same with the footage of Phill
https://ibb.co/wKk8tFM

I would suggest this is simply that you are pixel peeping a 6K S35 image. The limits of the optics will be very apparent IMO, when viewed zoomed in. When zoomed out you get the benefit of everything the lens can do for the entire picture, so the apparent sharp was is high.
 
But I think it was mentioned somewhere (maybe in the livestream?) MQ was like 5-6:1 ?
I agree MQ at 4:1 would be too close to HQ. RED used to recommend as a good starting point to shoot your resolution (K:1) as compression ratio which indeed works great as a ratio. 6K sensor = 6:1

I'd be very surprised if HQ was 2-3:1, MQ 4:1 and then LQ ?
If that's the case then I'll be missing the choice of ratios very much. Love the flexibility to dial in whatever ratio you want, especially if you've tested a lot of those and know which ones work well in certain scenarios...

Perhaps they should consider an "advanced mode" where you can dial in whatever ratio you want and with the simplified HQ MQ LQ by default for others who like simplicity...

I don't know I guessed based on the recording time calculator on red.com. But since in this tool I used the Weapon CF Dragon in 6K Full Format 24 fps as a reference. It gives me roughly 67 minutes in Redcode 3:1 and 89 in Redcode 4:1 and from that I extrapolated :p
(so it is obviously not accurate at all)
 
KipperTie images different white balance

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Seems to me that MQ is more like 4:1 which is why I think the difference between HQ and MQ is not significant enough... But then I remember I come from a cinema school where we shot on film (I graduated in 2011) and on a standard film mag you only get a few minutes of footage (if I remember correctly a 400 feet roll gets you around 10 minutes in 16mm and around 4-ish in 35) so I guess 10 more minutes of footage can do a lot :)

Lycée Carnot Bastien ?
 
Some simple tweaking -













Thanks for giving us the frames to check out.


That kind of image quality, from a camera of that size/form factor and functionality, at that price...

Wow.
 
RCX grade using CDL and Alchemy tools. Started from low contrast + soft roll off IPP2 transform.

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Almost makes Phil look pretty.:laugh:
 
Some simple tweaking -



Thanks for giving us the frames to check out.


That kind of image quality, from a camera of that size/form factor and functionality, at that price...

Wow.
This is a terrific LUT. It's very natural, clean and film like. I really, really like this. It's so refreshing to see footage allowed to breathe, while exhibiting richness at the same time. And this sensor is just friggin' fantastic.

(David, sorry bro but I didn't like your grade!)
 
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