Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Log in
  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

smaller Epic ....mods? brain and CMOS via cable?

O

Obin Olson

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 28, 2006
Messages
2,004
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Website
www.dv3productions.com
Anyone know how to make an epic lighter weight. Shooting a feature and need to move fast with gyros. Can someone tell me if it's possible to get the sensor and lens mount into a separate housing with the brain on a cable?

really need this. please advise. thanks.
 
I'd say anything is possible with enough money. Sounds like a pricey job, though!
 
You mentioned elsewhere that you were looking for a 2lb camera for gyro work. If you are targeting Epic you can get the camera down to around 6lbs with a lightweight lens if keep the battery and components off the camera. I can think of a few applications where 4lbs makes a difference, but personally if its a narrative or nature style shoot I would use larger rated gyros.
 
Narrative. just trying to get to the 5d mark2 body weight...does not look like it will happen though. :(

I guess an easyrig and 2 gyros may work.

anyone used this combo and if so how did you kill the gyro sound in post? or with sound padding on camera? or was it a non resolvable issue?
 
Obin Olson said:
Anyone know how to make an epic lighter weight. Shooting a feature and need to move fast with gyros. Can someone tell me if it's possible to get the sensor and lens mount into a separate housing with the brain on a cable?

really need this. please advise. thanks.
Click to expand...

I really think that's not going anywhere; the data is flying fast enough and the timing is critical enough that I think you would run into serious timing & noise issues with the cable any way you tried to make it. Put it out of your mind. The cost for bigger gyros would be *trivial* compared to the costs just to start making an attempt at your idea - to which you could almost certainly add a fried Epic!

Mike
 
the cost is not the issue. it's the weight. epic alone with side handle and lcd is uver 7lb. all up is going to be around 20lb I would guess minimum w gyros video tx, ff, glass etc etc
 
Si2k and recorder on a cable is the perfect setup. But it's got a small chip and low res recording compared to Epic. Can this config be made with Epic brain? Brain on cable and lens mount and CMOS on the other end of a cable?

I can't hand hold a 20lb camera out in front of me all day for 18 days. Not gonna happen :) can't shoulder mount. HATE that "shoulder" pov like a bad reality show or news camera. Dolly takes to much time to setup. Jib the same, Steadycam is restrictive.

Need Gyros and handheld, Can shoot anything and everything I want that way with perfect smoothness.

Ideas?

I am getting the easyrig and gyros for testing but I have a feeling the easyrig may be restrictive as well.
 
Take your 20lb gyro handheld rig and mount it on a steadicam arm in place of the sled - let the arm and vest take the weight, but handhold the rig for control the way you want it. How's that?
 
That is an idea I have been thinking about. But..I am afraind it will be more in the way in a house then the Easyrig..thoughts?
 
Obin Olson said:
shot this last year on gyro and epic but has no sound needs as it's a music vid:

https://vimeo.com/34722864
Click to expand...

why gyros and or modified camera? I can not spot a single shot in there that could not be done with a steady cam and a bit of post stabilizing.... or am i missing something?
I think you would be best off with a light steadycam rig. red epic, battery and screen low on the rig and small lenses. I would recomend FD lenses for the weight vs quality.
 
Evin Grant said:
If money isn't an issue I know red built some carbon fiber Red One MX bodies for Fincher for Dragon Tattoo (boat race scene). Maybe they have a similar skunkworks project for the Epic, drop Jarred a PM.
Click to expand...

Social Network, I believe.
 
A Carbon Fiber version of Epic/ Scarlet would be sooo cool!!! Outside of improving the image (Dragon) the two biggest things keeping the Epic/ Scarlet from being as perfect as can be is the weight, power consumption/ fan noise. Don't get me wrong the camera is built like a tank and could probably survive a bomb, but a lighter housing even if it were more fragile would be a nice option. And power/ fan noise...well it comes with the territory so much data in these machines! I trust the Red boys are always trying to improve on these factors.
 
Obin Olson said:
the cost is not the issue. it's the weight. epic alone with side handle and lcd is uver 7lb. all up is going to be around 20lb I would guess minimum w gyros video tx, ff, glass etc etc
Click to expand...

by the time you got the brain disconnected technically in a stable way, you have a camera head the size of an Alexa M.
One of the reasons it being so big is all the stuff being in there.

Oh, and probably a similar technology also.
 
Steadycam height is a big issue, no camera freedom for low shots super fast..or mini cranes. my goal is the camera does what my arms can do. without the weight. the Canon 5d is a perfect example of COMPLETE camera freedom, I can lift and hold it over my head or at my feet for a long time. it's un real what that freedom gets you creatively.
 
Perhaps you should be looking into a MK-V AR rig if you want more flexibility. An op with rig is typically more expensive than standard steadicam but you can go from low to hi mode seamlessly. This could give you a lot more options but with the stability and endurance of steadicam.

AR-Operator-537x600.jpg
 
I also think that a Steadicam would be the best solution for you.
Switching from High to Low mode is not that hard on large rigs (Steadicam Ultra2) and there is always the option of using a superpost to go much higher.
If you said that money is not an issue, I would rather go with one Epic on sticks plus another on a steadicam, you don't necessary need the AR rig.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top