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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

September 7 Update

Jason Gorman said:
Is there any possibility of getting the locking RF mount as a paid upgrade on the Komodo even if it was expensive and required a new shell. I’m soooooo damn jealous and a v-raptor isn’t in the budget yet, plus I love my Komodo. Being able to fix that RF wobble would make me so happy lol. The 28-70 is just too heavy.

Though I guess since v-raptor is just the flagship dsmc3 there could always be a komoesque s35 GS version too lol
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+1! this would be so amazing but I feel like its a pipe dream, but who knows... While I really love the RF mount, i do get wobble with everything I have mounted to the camera including native small light RF lenses.
 
Jarred Land said:
Any other Questions?
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Will there be an EVF that connects to the top pogo connector? The cable free design of the current dsmc2 viewfinder is really great. I'll be sad to give that up, it looks like on the XL drawing just a SDI output labeled evf?

I don't see any extra buttons like on dsmc2, are the buttons on the side assignable like in dsmc2 to quickly change iris/shutter/etc?

Are SDI 1 & 2 independent? - Can one be a clean feed and one be a data screen feed?

Is there any way to record lens metadata when adapting from PL/LPL to RF?

Is there a backfocus adjustment screw like dsmc2?

You mentioned in the q&a using a motion detector trigger for the wildlife shots - is this through GPI? is it the same schmidt trigger gpi like dsmc2 or a contact closure?

Cheers
 
Jarred Land said:
its really cool when you hook up a usb-c ethernet dongle to that port.. and do all of the above remotely, over the network from across the room or across the country.
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Wow this is a game changing feature. And I bought an ST within minutes, I was already on board haha.

Jarred, what are the transfer speeds looking like over USB-C and Ethernet respectively?
 
Hey Jarred,

What are the dimensions of the camera? (LxHxW)

Is there a basic mechanical diagram available for the Raptor?
 
I feel like I’m an outlier here but I use EF lenses (mostly sigma) quite often to control focus, and remote focus via the latitude system. I find it works pretty well for very compact, travel and gimbal work. Does V-Raptors control work with latitude? I know there is no control port and an accessory is needed, but will the Latitude and Raptor work together? The Red control is cool and when I had a Komodo we used a couple iPads for EF lens control (which wasn’t terrible, but not ideal either). I would love to see a tactile, mechanical remote focus hand unit that worked with Red Control as an option. But I’m hoping my Latitude units will still be usable.
 
Does the usb-c mean we could use the Hydrogen for a monitor?
 
When will it be possible to order CFexpress cards from 3rd parties? As I did for Komodo, I planned to order a set of cards through Angelbird directly but I’ve read on their website that they are not compatible with V-Raptor.
 
vincent kardasik said:
When will it be possible to order CFexpress cards from 3rd parties? As I did for Komodo, I planned to order a set of cards through Angelbird directly but I’ve read on their website that they are not compatible with V-Raptor.
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Yes, and I imagine RED will be testing more of them as they are released. Specifically Jarred mentioned these newer type 2 cards being ideal for the higher data rates needed.

In an attempt to avoid some of the confusion surrounding media.

Right now V-Raptor uses CFexpress Type B "2.0" Cards. I suspect the 2.0 aspect of that is a new controller that assists in better sustained writes and reads at very high data rates.

Available from RED at the moment are branded Angelbird cards in 660GB and 1.3TB capacities. However, Angelbird seems to also be working on a 2TB card that isn't out yet.

On the Angelbird site they list that these cards have Read Speed 1700 MB/s and Write Speed 1500 MB/s. But as we know that's likely burst data. Thankfully lower on the page they state the most important metric needed for our tools:

"Engineered for proven sustained high-performance with a write speed that will not drop below 1000 MB/s throughout the entire capacity of the card."

That's the actual Sustained Speed. Which means no issues at higher fill capacities with the data rate tailing off.

Very curious to know exactly what the largest capacity that will be available as well as heat related concerns. These buggers run hot to real warm in my experience over the last year. On the same page they list a 4TB card coming down the line. This 2.0 thing is brand spanking new.
 
Phil Holland said:
Yes, and I imagine RED will be testing more of them as they are released. Specifically Jarred mentioned these newer type 2 cards being ideal for the higher data rates needed.

In an attempt to avoid some of the confusion surrounding media.

Right now V-Raptor uses CFexpress Type B "2.0" Cards. I suspect the 2.0 aspect of that is a new controller that assists in better sustained writes and reads at very high data rates.

Available from RED at the moment are branded Angelbird cards in 660GB and 1.3TB capacities. However, Angelbird seems to also be working on a 2TB card that isn't out yet.

On the Angelbird site they list that these cards have Read Speed 1700 MB/s and Write Speed 1500 MB/s. But as we know that's likely burst data. Thankfully lower on the page they state the most important metric needed for our tools:

"Engineered for proven sustained high-performance with a write speed that will not drop below 1000 MB/s throughout the entire capacity of the card."

That's the actual Sustained Speed. Which means no issues at higher fill capacities with the data rate tailing off.

Very curious to know exactly what the largest capacity that will be available as well as heat related concerns. These buggers run hot to real warm in my experience over the last year. On the same page they list a 4TB card coming down the line. This 2.0 thing is brand spanking new.
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I've been talking to Angelbird directly and the card you need for Raptor (the one that Red uses and helped develop) isn't available yet but should be in late Sept. early Oct. Just because its says "type B" doesn't mean its fully compatible. The current cards may work in LQ or in lower frames/resolution but to push the highest limits of Raptor you need the cards that are coming. Red already has some of these in the store but Angelbird isn't selling them yet.
 
Mark Andersen said:
Angelbird
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Yep. Here's a link to "the right stuff":
https://www.angelbird.com/prod/av-pro-cfexpress-xt-type-b-2547/?category=238

Seems like they are going actually with the XT moniker. Currently 330GB, 660GB, and 1.3TB capacities are planned.

I misspoke it seems or they updated the website, but these things apparently handle 1480MB/s sustained write, 1500MB/s read. Not that mere 1000MB/s :) kidding.

The nice thing here is we are now in that "holy crap we need to offload footage fast" realm at least. There are USB Type-C 2x2 20Gbs and even Thunderbolt 3/4 readers (have no clue if those work yet). With the right hardware that's a speedy download I think that's faster than these cards can do actually. Likely 3-4X a Mini-Mag today in realistic terms.
 
Phil Holland said:
Yep. Here's a link to "the right stuff":
https://www.angelbird.com/prod/av-pro-cfexpress-xt-type-b-2547/?category=238

Seems like they are going actually with the XT moniker. Currently 330GB, 660GB, and 1.3TB capacities are planned.

I misspoke it seems or they updated the website, but these things apparently handle 1480MB/s sustained write, 1500MB/s read. Not that mere 1000MB/s :) kidding.

The nice thing here is we are now in that "holy crap we need to offload footage fast" realm at least. There are USB Type-C 2x2 20Gbs and even Thunderbolt 3/4 readers (have no clue if those work yet). With the right hardware that's a speedy download I think that's faster than these cards can do actually. Likely 3-4X a Mini-Mag today in realistic terms.
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So are these not compatible with the Raptor? i think these were the ones jarred was referencing when i talked to him the other day.
 
Domenic Barbero said:
So are these not compatible with the Raptor? i think these were the ones jarred was referencing when i talked to him the other day.
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I just said those were "the right stuff". Clearer. Yes these are the ones.

On a previous post I was looking at specs, but I think this is happening nearly in realtime.

I actually think lots of CFx might be possible, but if people want to score things like 8K 1-60fps HQ or 120 LQ you'll need these slot rockets.
 
Domenic Barbero said:
So are these not compatible with the Raptor? i think these were the ones jarred was referencing when i talked to him the other day.
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If you follow the link the fine print below clearly says these cards are NOT compatible with the Red Raptor camera. Angelbird has new cards available in a few weeks that the optimum product for Raptor.
 
Mark Andersen said:
If you follow the link the fine print below clearly says these cards are NOT compatible with the Red Raptor camera. Angelbird has new cards available in a few weeks that the optimum product for Raptor.
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Guess I'll standby for a moment here until that settles.
 
Phil Holland said:
Guess I'll standby for a moment here until that settles.
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Yeah, it’s a bit confusing currently. Considering the V-Raptor specs state:

“Up to 800 MB/s using RED branded or other qualified CFexpress media cards”

The current Angelbird XT CFx cards surpass that, but per Jarred’s remarks in the Q&A… I guess Angelbird is dropping an updated version of these cards? I believe I saw a post on FB where someone asked if they were the same, and he mentioned there should be a new version dropping in a few weeks with compatibility at the same price as RED’s branded offering.

Would rather wait and see at this point.
 
Anthony Berenato Jr said:
Would rather wait and see at this point.
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Yep. I jumped the gun a bit. Their website has even been updated while I posted that stuff. We'll obviously know what's ideal and compatible real soon.

I'm out of town and chatting with a couple friends (also DPs) about V-Raptor. Lots of questions put forth and much of it is related to the XL as well. Curious about power draw and what power we need on that one. RED Ranger today takes 24v and 12v. We don't really know anything related to the features of the XL either.

More powerful cameras need more juice for sure. V-Raptor is already 30-40Wh higher than DSMC2 approximately, at least that's what we've been told as of now. Not scared by that. But it's something I do need to develop some strategy towards.

So wild having Komodo be on the crazy opposite side of that spectrum. It's about 4X less power needed than V-Raptor, a little less than half of DSMC2.
 
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