Sensors...

[nonio]

A FOR ALL, WELL WELL WELL JIM

 

[Phil Holland]

Hey, can anyone tell us if there will be a scarlet dragon AND an epic dragon, or is is all the same model aka the dragon... because i am trying to figure out how much possible savings i might need since i just bought a scarlet and would like to upgrade quickly, have a low serial, etc...thanks!!!

The Dragon sensor will be identical in the Epic and the Scarlet, similar to how they share the Mysterium X sensor. However, the feature set will likely be different between Epic and Scarlet.

All we know as of today is that:
- Dragon will produce 6k images (final pixel resolution hasn't been officially announced)
- The Dragon sensor is 30.7mm x 15.8mm
- Dragon will produce 15+ or 16 stops of captured Dynamic Range
- Dragon ISO 2000 "looks" like the current MX ISO 800
- At NAB it was announced that Dragon on Epic could yield a max FPS around 89 fps at 6k.
- The Epic upgrade to Dragon will be around $6,000 USD
- The Dragon upgrade begins 4th Quarter 2012 starting with priority to Epic M owners.
- No official Scarlet X specs have been released for the Dragon update.
- It has been mentioned that it will be more expensive to upgrade to Dragon on the Scarlet X versus the Epic due to more components needing to be installed.

That's all the news that I can recall off the top of my head.

 

[Liana]

I just noticed they call Scarlet-X cameras "prosumer". Wtf... http://gdgt.com/red/scarlet-x/specs/

It's engadget. They can -and should be- ignored. Their high point was a few years ago when they "reviewed" Apple's iPod........without a single mention of sound quality. It's a joke of a website, not to be taken seriously.

 

[Humberto Rivera]

Since there is so much talk about the unnamed “Image Circle”, I thought I take a stab at it. This is just a GUESS, but this what I think it will be the “Ultimate Image Circle” for the 6K Dragon Sensor, (or at least in the Ballpark) I’ve put it down so we can check-it against whatever Jim publishes, when he does. Here are the calculations;

(28.35*28.35)+(15.37*15.37) √1039.96 = 32.25 Ø

Is interesting, my guess again for the two new Angenieux Zooms fit within the margin of error (of the guess for both the Angenieux and the 6K Dragon Sensor).

Thales Angenieux Optimo 28 mm X 340 mm - Zoom Ratio: 12X - Focal Length: 28 mm X 340 mm Aperture: f/2.9 – T3.2 - MOD: 4 ft - 0.5 in – 1.23 m Internal Focus: Yes Image Coverage: S35+: 31.4 mm diagonal according to Angenieux (1.16 Extender - 34.8 Ø MY GUESS)

Thales Angenieux Optimo 19.5 mm X 94 mm - Zoom Ratio: 4.7X - Focal Length: 19.5 mm X 94 mm Aperture: f/2.4 – T2.6 - MOD: 2 ft - 0.5 in – 0.62 m Internal Focus: Yes Image Coverage: S35+: 31.4 mm diagonal according to Angenieux Weight (approx.): 12.3 lbs – 5.6 kg Length: 335 mm (PL) 330 mm (Panavision) Front Diameter: 136 mm – (1.16 Extender - 32.48 Ø MY GUESS)

I’m sure they are well within the margin of error for the Leica Summilux C and the Arri Master Primes. So my number is; 32.25 Ø

Humberto Rivera

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

There are 3 main characteristics that need to be addressed in sensor development... (no particular order).

1. Dynamic Range

2. Resolution

3. Frame Rates.
Jim

4. Color Gamut. I would put that above resolution and frame rates at this point. Up there with Dynamic range.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Also... rolling shutter? Can we finally put a nail in that coffin?

 

[Shervin Mandgaryan]

Read/Reset will be improved on, but I don't think this sensor will have a Global Shutter, atleast not with 16 stops of dynamic range.

 

[George Butterfield]

Some companies will tell you that 1080P is "good enough" and that dynamic range is all that matters. Not so.

But what then, is good enough? Let's say I'm sitting in the middle seat in the theatre. What chip characteristics are necessary such that if they are made better, I wouldn't notice the difference anyway?

 

[Pawel Achtel]

Well done!

The best camera just got better. Two Epics await patiently

 

[dj ditt]

Thank you Red for making this an upgrade, not a new Camera! It is so unlike any camera company, but so like RED...even though it's not an Epic, I'm proud to own a RED!

 

[Dr. Sassi]

Please continue to update the meaning of the term breathtaking, I really like what you do. Thanks.

 

[Daniel Meador]

My scarlet is at FedEx in a truck to be delivered on Monday
and I already want the upgrade!

 

[Shapour Daneshmand]

We should also be proud that they are made in America.[/QUOTE]

That actually was one the first points which got me interested.

 

[adam r]

When Jim eventually releases a Scarlet-Dragon, will it sell for the same price as the current Scarlet-X, that's what I'd like to know :sifone:

 

[Jon Carr]

When Jim eventually releases a Scarlet-Dragon, will it sell for the same price as the current Scarlet-X, that's what I'd like to know :sifone:

If what happened to the REDone when they switched to MX as a indication, then no. Add the price of the upgrade to both the epic and scarlet and your have something close to the new prices of the dragon scarlet and dragon epic.

 

[Brett Clements]

We believe that a good fistfight can only benefit the industry.

Jim

I love this stuff.

 

[Brett Clements]

I'm just pumped I can have a conversation with the guys who make the camera. That's all time! I'm pumped I can have a guy like Jim actually sign it. I'm pumped I learn something new every day shooting the EPIC. I'm pumped I can upgrade to bleeding edge for 6K. Go try and call a Mr Canon or a Mr Nikon. Dudes. They don't even return emails. Stop bitching. Start shooting.

 

[Denis Buhot]

And how much better will Dragon see in the dark?

Great, really !

I sure could use higher sensitivity, and better noise at higher iso's, though. For us engaged in wildlife shooting, smaller sensors could help, too. I don't figure myself using more than a 800mm...

 

[Matthew Conrad]

4:3 chip ... do it. Then you'll have exceeded the technical abilities of basically all other cameras on the market.

 

[Jarred Land]

The Dragon sensor will be identical in the Epic and the Scarlet, similar to how they share the Mysterium X sensor. However, the feature set will likely be different between Epic and Scarlet.

All we know as of today is that:
- Dragon will produce 6k images (final pixel resolution hasn't been officially announced)
- The Dragon sensor is 30.7mm x 15.8mm
- Dragon will produce 15+ or 16 stops of captured Dynamic Range
- Dragon ISO 2000 "looks" like the current MX ISO 800
- At NAB it was announced that Dragon on Epic could yield a max FPS around 89 fps at 6k.
- The Epic upgrade to Dragon will be around $6,000 USD
- The Dragon upgrade begins 4th Quarter 2012 starting with priority to Epic M owners.
- No official Scarlet X specs have been released for the Dragon update.
- It has been mentioned that it will be more expensive to upgrade to Dragon on the Scarlet X versus the Epic due to more components needing to be installed.

That's all the news that I can recall off the top of my head.

Well Done Phil... Since you did such a good job summarizing.. I will throw you a bone and answer your first point's question. The Dragon upgrade will be 6144 x 3160.