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Scarlet X Ultra Wide Still Lens Test

Wow thanks Phil for posting this. I was really looking at the Tokina lens before, but now it seems like a must buy. I really love wide lenses.
 
Phil Holland said:
That's all I got today. Testing out brands of ND/IRND on Epic next week. Did a bit of testing last week and as I've mentioned in another thread I'll likely be purchasing the Schneider Platinum IRNDs when they are available. For the time being I've purchased some Formatts. Looking at the Tiffens next week and testing out the Formatts and Schneiders.
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Thanks so much for these tests Phil. Very much appreciated!

Also looking forward to your ND tests - I haven't purchased any yet and still have to sort out which I'm going to buy. You're thoughts will be extremely useful :)
 
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Good point about the filters. I've been using internal NDs with my current camera so I haven't been looking too hard for a solution. Of course the Scarlet will force me to find something. I did however notice Lee filters has a unique offering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMX5p9Iwx3Y


Dane Henry said:
Bob, I really like that Nikon but what are you doing for filtering the 14-24mm? (since you can't use screw ons)

This past August I used it on a month long project on the Sony F3, but it has built in ND, so we were able to us the lens in full sun...we did use a 90 & 45 degree shutter alot on the film though. I havent tested the lens with a matte box, I'd be surprised if it would work.

What is your solution?

Thanks!
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I'm also getting the Tokina. Is there a difference between the Canon and Nikon versions? Which one do you guys prefer?
 
Hello,
I have sets of canon and nikon lenses and I have the Tokina 11-16 and the nikon 14-24

I prefer using the Tokina because I found it for some reason sharper than the nikon 14-24. Even though the 14_24 is said to be one of if not the best wide angle lens, to me i get more easiy satisfied with the Tokina .

For the Tokina 11_16 , yes got to be careful at the CA in certain situations like shopping centers (as its been said before) but generally its great . Also I feel that the the color and contrast is different from the canon and Nikon lenses. You know when during a shooting you change lenses and if your careful you see some changes in colors and contrast, well with this one when you go from a Canon or Nikon 50mm to it, you just go "whoow!"
A part from that its light, not expensive, sharp and very descent low distortion

The nikon 14-24 range is more versatile , can't easily put filters, very heavy, expensive, not that sharp (i think). for example I feel that at 24mm my old 24-70 nikon performs much better. However I feel more confident with it than the Tokina for grading when I use it with other Nikon and even Canon lenses . Also very good low distortion with 1,6 frame (on a full frame at 14mm you get a low but disturbing fish eye effect)
 
Thank you so much Phil, these tests are great!

I was actually seeking information on how well the Tokina would perform on a Scarlet-X. I've got one for my 7D, as well as a Sigma 30mm 1.4

It looks like those lenses should fit the Scarlet-X rather nicely.

Again, thanks for the tests :D
 
Thanks, Phil.

RE CA:
  • Agree with J. Generally any fine high contrast detail at/near infinity that's in focus will produce CA with the Tokina, especially away from the center. For example distant tree branches against a bright sky.
  • Sample variation. Like any lenses there will be sample variation, more so, the lower the price. Phil's looks good, though the CA example was not a high stress test.
  • Duclos. You get more than a re-house. In a previous thread on this topic, I noted that the footage I had seen shot with the Duclos seemed CA-free and asked if Duclos did anything to the optics, or hand-picked Tokina's to re-house. Matt Duclos himself answered and said yes, they do optimize the optics on each individual lens, explaining the Tokina 11-16 uses old-school construction methods that make adjustments easy (for a trained technician). I tried to find the quote, but the thread has disappeared, along with a couple of years of Matt Duclos's posts.
 
Jonas Klittmark said:
I'm also getting the Tokina. Is there a difference between the Canon and Nikon versions? Which one do you guys prefer?
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I've owned both, on the nikon 11-16 the default aperture is closed when lens is detached, canon is open when detached

canon 11-16 the aperture is purely electronic , the nikon aperture is controlled by a little lever

this pic shows an m43 adapter actuating the lever on an 11-16 LINK

other than that they are identical.
 
The focus direction is different on Nikon vs. Canon.

J Davis said:
I've owned both, on the nikon 11-16 the default aperture is closed when lens is detached, canon is open when detached

canon 11-16 the aperture is purely electronic , the nikon aperture is controlled by a little lever

this pic shows an m43 adapter actuating the lever on an 11-16 LINK

other than that they are identical.
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J Davis said:
I've owned both, on the nikon 11-16 the default aperture is closed when lens is detached, canon is open when detached

canon 11-16 the aperture is purely electronic , the nikon aperture is controlled by a little lever

this pic shows an m43 adapter actuating the lever on an 11-16 LINK

other than that they are identical.
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Thanks. Sounds like I will go with the Nikon, I hate relying on electronic aperture...
 
Just so there is no confusion, Both Nikon and Canon versions have the aperture controlled electronically on this lens. Neither version has a manual iris control. Because Nikons have a physical pin on the back, it is possible to use a 3rd party adapter to adjust iris.

Jonas Klittmark said:
Thanks. Sounds like I will go with the Nikon, I hate relying on electronic aperture...
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Bob Gundu said:
Just so there is no confusion, Both Nikon and Canon versions have the aperture controlled electronically on this lens. Neither version has a manual iris control. Because Nikons have a physical pin on the back, it is possible to use a 3rd party adapter to adjust iris.
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Ouch, that stinks... Thanks for making me aware. I will have to go with the Canon version then. The Duclos would be nice but it's just too expensive.
 
Jonas Klittmark said:
Ouch, that stinks... Thanks for making me aware. I will have to go with the Canon version then. The Duclos would be nice but it's just too expensive.
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If you really want the Duclos get the Tokina 11-16mm its exectly the same lens just in a different body
 
This isn't the perfect solution i know but if you really want to control the lighting of your scene with a smooth pull then perhaps a tokina 11-16 with variable ND filter is your solution?
Of course i know that this isn't the most perfect solution in all the lighting scenes but if your filming in daylight or a good lighted scene and you just want to pull such a thing you can use that filter, i've used it a lot this way with my Tokina 12-24 f4.
 
Bob Gundu said:
The optitek Nikon mount will allow smooth Iris control of your Nikon lens.
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I have a few Canon lenses in addition to my Nikons so unfortunately I have to stay with a Canon mount on the Scarlet...

I was looking at the Fotodiox Pro adapter for Nikon G lenses. It seems to have some sort of manual aperture control on the adapter:
http://www.fotodiox.com/product_info.php?products_id=571

Does anyone have experience using it?
 
+1 on the Tokina 11-16 . I unboxed it a cpl days ago and it feels really solid - surprisingly really. Cant wait to run some light thru it.
 
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