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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet Dragon Upgrades Begin.

To me the FS7 demo footage looked too much like... for lack of a better word, "Japanese-TV". I guess some may refer to that as the "Sony look".
Imagine If you shot on MX and pushed the alchemy setting all the way to the left, locked the mid-lows and crushed the blacks - That look!

I pointed my new as of this monday scarlet dragon out the window on a sunny midday and was able get a fat exposure and nice HL rolloff w/ no clipping at around T2.5 @ 500ISO... I'm completely blown away by the Dragon sensor.
With any other camera i'm always fighting w/ ND and IR to avoid clipping and avoid color cast - that is a thing of the past with Dragon. This beast is a lot like shooting film!

The new non-beta redcine-x has DEB now... and wow, any chroma noise is GONE - even in under exposed shots. YMMV

Christof Paul said:
maybe you missed the FS7 announcement: 4k raw 14 stops DR iso 2000 same chip as F5/F55 and quite a nice package and in no way consumer or prosumer for about 12000$
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Would RED care to comment on why the price hike is happening in less than 3 months? It seems very strange (almost ironic) to have this ultimatum placed right at the end of an announcement on Scarlet Dragons just starting to ship. Couldn't this wait till 2015?

Also are there other price increases that we should know about?
 
Daniel Reed said:
To me the FS7 demo footage looked too much like... for lack of a better word, "Japanese-TV". I guess some may refer to that as the "Sony look".
Imagine If you shot on MX and pushed the alchemy setting all the way to the left, locked the mid-lows and crushed the blacks - That look!

I pointed my new as of this monday scarlet dragon out the window on a sunny midday and was able get a fat exposure and nice HL rolloff w/ no clipping at around T2.5 @ 500ISO... I'm completely blown away by the Dragon sensor.
With any other camera i'm always fighting w/ ND and IR to avoid clipping and avoid color cast - that is a thing of the past with Dragon. This beast is a lot like shooting film!

The new non-beta redcine-x has DEB now... and wow, any chroma noise is GONE - even in under exposed shots. YMMV
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When using DEB is it stuck in RCX? Or can you carry it over to use in Premiere Pro? I've never had good luck using RCX for any kind of export.
 
I suspect Adobe may need to supply an update before their apps understand DEB, OLPF changes to color science and any other recent changes RED has introduced to the R3D format.

RCX can always export a "baked" format (use full debayer) if R3D files are NOT being interpreted as expected/desired in the application of your choice. I tend to not use too many Adobe products these days, so I can't comment on the state of Premiere.
(I haven't spent much time in Premiere, beyond occasional use, since Windows NT).


Jeffrey Loewe said:
When using DEB is it stuck in RCX? Or can you carry it over to use in Premiere Pro? I've never had good luck using RCX for any kind of export.
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Daniel Reed said:
I suspect Adobe may need to supply an update before their apps understand DEB, OLPF changes to color science and any other recent changes RED has introduced to the R3D format.

RCX can always export a "baked" format (use full debayer) if R3D files are NOT being interpreted as expected/desired in the application of your choice. I tend to not use too many Adobe products these days, so I can't comment on the state of Premiere.
(I haven't spent much time in Premiere, beyond occasional use, since Windows NT).
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Thanks Daniel. I'll give it another go. After so many failed attempts I just stopped using it.
 
im looking at the scarlet dragon specs. i just got emailed.. just to clarify

project frame rates are listed as 24,25,30,48,50 and 60.. all resolutions
max frame rates go more like 6k 12fps, 5k 48fps etc

im thinking the "all resolutions" phraze is erroneous.. and misleading

also.. does anybody use 48fps apart from peter jackson or cameron?

seems a shame to be 2fps short of a useful framerate at 5k (ie, 50fps)..

ill never use a project fps that is not 25fps.. it can be slowed to produce 24fps wonderfully, converted to 30fps easily using well established techiniques.. and has europe covered too.. so 48fps is nice for mild overcranking,.. but thats all

why anybody would shoot 24fps, or 48.. in this day and age.. is beyond me.. neither have any benefits, both cause problems..just shoot 25 or 50.. now you're making international films!..except scarlet can't..

..the lack of a red camera with decent professional sound inputs " built in" is starting to get old for me too..maybe a nagra would complement scarlet?

also.., my clients would like to shoot lazers in studios.. and i'd like to record fire engines, police sirens, and lightening without problems.. any chance we can start switching to global shutter technology asap please red, i want to record real life..whatever it throws out?

..just my thoughts..
 
egon touste said:
project frame rates are listed as 24,25,30,48,50 and 60.. all resolutions
max frame rates go more like 6k 12fps, 5k 48fps etc

im thinking the "all resolutions" phraze is erroneous.. and misleading
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PROJECT frame rate and actual CAPTURE frame rate are two different things.
The former sets your default time base for your edit.
So for example you can set your PROJECT frame rate to 25P and then shoot in 6K at 5P HDRx. The resulting timelapse will play back both in camera and in post at 25P - so sped up 5x.
The main purpose of separating PROJECT and CAPTURE frame rates is to allow in-camera playback preview of footage that is over and under cranked.
Nothing misleading about that... ;o)

I agree that RED could try to squeeze out the extra 2 frames to help out PAL folks, hopefully in future firmware updates - that is again the beauty of RED...

But writing off 24P like that is little close-minded to be polite. I would dare to say 75% of all RED footage ever shot is done at 24P. In my own case more like 99%...

:sifone: Peter
 
Not sure if this specific question has been addressed: Has anything been said about any price increase for the Scarlet-to-Epic trade-in? No announced change from the current $9500? (Just don't want to be sleeping at the switch.)

Thanks.
 
Michael Pyon said:
Would RED care to comment on why the price hike is happening in less than 3 months? It seems very strange (almost ironic) to have this ultimatum placed right at the end of an announcement on Scarlet Dragons just starting to ship. Couldn't this wait till 2015?

Also are there other price increases that we should know about?
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+1 ;-)
 
Michael Pyon said:
Would RED care to comment on why the price hike is happening in less than 3 months? It seems very strange (almost ironic) to have this ultimatum placed right at the end of an announcement on Scarlet Dragons just starting to ship. Couldn't this wait till 2015?

Also are there other price increases that we should know about?
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couldnt this wait ill 2025? Everybody has different excuse
All good things must come to an end
 
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