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Scarlet (and shipping) announcement Nov. 3rd...

Dan Carr said:
Great to hear that this will be shipping at the announcement. Nov 3rd will be a great day!
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I believe the official word is ORDERS TAKEN on the 3rd. But SHIPPING by end of year. I never read any promise of shipping to EVERYONE who orders on the 3rd by end of year because that number is sure to be high and is philosophically unknowable. ;) It would be interesting to know how many are actually ordered in the first 24 hours.
 
Eki Halkka said:
...though the latest estimated 6K price wasn't for the brain only, but for a fully functional package - including monitoring, recording and power...
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Can you post a reference to the info that leads you to this conclusion?

As to people talking about Red going for the 'pro-sumer' and 'semi-pro' markets and that being the reason prices should stay low, Jim clearly stated Red is a Pro company for professionals. Scarlet is going to be a pretty amazing product by the sounds of it. Why give it away?

Time will tell, I guess, no need to get all crazy just yet. Still 6 weeks to go.
 
The word Pro doesn't translate to endless budget. It means that you are using it for a profession. There is a huge market for cameras under the 10k mark and there is a lot of money to be made from it and there are only so many Hollywood companies out there that can drop $50k at a whim.
 
Kris Anderson said:
Can you post a reference to the info that leads you to this conclusion?
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For people who have followed the Scarlet for a long time, the old pricing was 3K for $3K. Scarlet Fixed was always going to be a complete, ready to shoot solution except for recording media. For a while, it was at $4,750, then it moved to around $6K. The NAB videos with Ted was a fixed Scarlet with LCD and he said, "About $6K." There are a lot of guys whose only entry into Red technology will be around this price point. Hopefully it will still be close. That pricing almost seemed like giving it away but hopefully Red can make money in sales volume.
 
For those that still don't get it,

I am not an expert rental house type, but Scarlet is going to be a HANDS DOWN MUST BUY, at ANY professional level. And the very BEST start up.

Sure, Cameron might not need one since he already bought 50 Epic-M's, but EVERYBODY else, every other level... must buy. (He'll probably buy a few dozen anyway! He gets it.)

We don't need to know the price, specs, we don't need to know squat! If you know RED, at all, then you know Scarlet will be a MEGA-HIT.

It will be like the success of the DVX, combined with the success of the HVX, combined with the success of the 5/7D -- only also combined with the EXCELLENCE of the best film cameras...

That is my honest though somewhat fanboy guess. Now let's wait and see what the 3rd brings... :)

One thing is 101% certain: The customer wins way bigger than we would have otherwise thanks to RED. That is why we love RED.
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
For those that still don't get it,

I am not an expert rental house type, but Scarlet is going to be a HANDS DOWN MUST BUY, at ANY professional level. And the very BEST start up.

Sure, Cameron might not need one since he already bought 50 Epic-M's, but EVERYBODY else, every other level... must buy. (He'll probably buy a few dozen anyway! He gets it.)

We don't need to know the price, specs, we don't need to know squat! If you know RED, at all, then you know Scarlet will be a MEGA-HIT.

It will be like the success of the DVX, combined with the success of the HVX, combined with the success of the 5/7D -- only also combined with the EXCELLENCE of the best film cameras...

That is my honest non-fanboy guess. Now let's wait and see what the 3rd brings... :)

And one thing is 101% certain: The customer wins way bigger than we would have otherwise thanks to RED. That is why we love RED.
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+1

That IS why we love RED. They always see to it that we are treated with only the very best they have to offer, which is THE BEST there is.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
I agree with a lot of what you said - but I suppose we should also remember that Jim specifically took RED out of the "consumer" market awhile back when he said RED was aimed at exclusively the pro market. I guess that begs the question of whether a "consumer-PRICED option" is the same as a consumer option. :coolgleamA:
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I'd like to think that a "consumer-priced" option is still in the running. I mean, before the Red One... professional pricing for a digital 35mm camera was above $250,000. If Red really cared about the upholding the "professional market" so much, their first cameras wouldn't have been under $30,000 (less than a 720p 2/3" Varicam at the time). I think that they're more about changing the professional market to their terms, rather than just adhering to the long-running joke of what "the big guys" have made of it.
 
So tuition or camera hmmm! I guess I should be fiscally responsible. Maybe I'll just not pay off my student loans because I'm so excited to buy into RED so I don't have to sink more cash into "money trap" companies. Achhemm ... large companies that shall not be named. Sweet news!
 
Carey Lee Coffey said:
There are a lot of "pro" indie filmmakers who cannot afford "pro" prices. A sub 10k camera is the only option for most of us.
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Sorry, but I respetfully disagree... and Jim has mentioned it for YEARS... if you can't make a living with RED gear... he will be the first to tell you to NOT buy it. He cares that much.

But by definition, "PRO" means you are getting PAID for your work. One should EASILY be able to make back $10 to $20K (within a year) in gear if they are a PRO owner operator. IMHO.

If not, then start smaller... build a reputation, and the clients will come and the cost of this stuff will not matter... the QUALITY and VALUE will be all that matters.

Buying a Scarlet or EPIC will not get you work... what you do with these tools is what convinces people to PAY for it.

That said, $5,000 says 50% of future Scarlet owners on here will ignore the above advice.

Good luck and happy shooting!
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
Sorry, but I respetfully disagree... and Jim has mentioned it for YEARS... if you can't make a living with RED gear... he will be the first to tell you to NOT buy it. He cares that much.

But by definition, "PRO" means you are getting PAID for your work. One should EASILY be able to make back $10 to $20K (within a year) in gear if they are a PRO owner operator. IMHO.

If not, then start smaller... build a reputation, and the clients will come and the cost of this stuff will not matter... the QUALITY and VALUE will be all that matters.

Buying a Scarlet or EPIC will not get you work... what you do with these tools is what convinces people to PAY for it.

That said, $5,000 says 50% of future Scarlet owners on here will ignore the above advice.

Good luck and happy shooting!
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Pro is just too broad of a term to encompass everyone. I do event videography in my part time... mostly just for experience, not seriously trying to make a living at it. Although I can totally see myself shooting a wedding with a scarlet (Why not? plenty of videographers still shoot with $6k camcorders, give or take), I'd love to break into a more feature/short production role. I've started using HDSLR's for my events partially, but lets face it, Scarlet would be a good little all around for the prosumer indie type.... like me :).

Yes, red is Pro.... But even the price of the red one is far below what a lot of Indie stuff has been shot on. A low budget ($500k) Christian feature was shot on a $45k Panasonic camcorder with a Letus adapter on it... (Fireproof) which did end up making $33,000,000 in the box office. For $45k they could get a pretty decent Epic set up now.... So even at the top end of Red's stuff, its within Indie budget range.

But why not make a ~$5k camera? If you're a studio, getting two "inferior" camcorders for $10k would seem a better business move than getting a scarlet, assuming you can't afford an Epic or R1 set up...

I guess what I'm thinking is that if I could afford $10-12k for a scarlet, I could afford $25k for an epic... I know that's not necessarily true, but if I'm that heavily invested in the business.... but a $5k camera could be bought by the less "serious".

I get paid to do gigs, so I'm a "pro". Doesn't mean I do it full time, doesn't mean I can afford a $10k investment at once. I walked into a large church auditorium to shoot a show... they had JVC studio cams, I had a couple of Canon XL1's. I was talking to a guy about why they didn't just use their own stuff to record.... response: "We don't have any pros like you"

... yea....
 
Travis Freeburg said:
Pro is just too broad of a term to encompass everyone.
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What? Amateur is a much broader term than pro. This argument makes no sense. You sound more like a HOBBYIST.. who occasionally works for $. PRofessionals work insaley hard (usually for little pay to get started to earn that moniker) If you are Part time the you are either mot serious or not working hard enough. And I say that with respect... Pro means PROFESSIONAL. Professionals who thrive in this business are all work aholics. Long hours. Be it weddings or features. Becoming a PRO tales TIME.

Scarlet is a PRO tool. RED has made that crystal clear. Period the end. They also have listened to 1000's of people on here and when Jim says he has your back. I would trust him. Stick with a DSLR until you have gained enough clients to warrant investing in a Scarlett... PLENTY OF PROS (Lafollet and Bloom to name a couple) made a fortune with a DSLR and other prosumer cameras.

Like I said... $5,000 1/2 of future Scarlet buyers will ignore the above and buy the Scarlet expecting it will print them money...
 
Well by your original definition, Pro is anyone that gets paid to do what they do. A professional Actor is one that gets Paid... its a very typical definition of the term. Parameters are usually not set... and frankly... cannot be set. You could work at a tv station as a camera man for 5 years and then decide to move into a different field, but still do weddings on the side... You certainly have had pro status, do you suddenly lose it because your doing things part time?

There are Pros in the sense of Production Studios... and then there are pros in the sense of a guy with his own gear that contracts out or does his own stuff.

Jim obviously sees Scarlet as an answer to whatever Canon has coming out on the 3rd. Last time I checked, Canon had Great pro glass, prosumer camcorders (all sub $8k right now) and limited broadcast stuff. The closest thing Canon has to a cinema camera are their DSLR's... which are definitely not in the $7k or even $5k range (without glass, of course).

If Canon is releasing something that bridges that gap between camcorder and DSLR a bit more... or even ups the resolution to 2k... I doubt they'll price it at $12k... What would be the point... I might as well carry around a mark II and an XHA1...

Yes, I get that RED is Pro.. but even the projector is going to have a "home" version. I realize that home projector's can be very expensive (like the cost of an Epic rig), but the idea is still there.

Look, $5k is still a big investment for anyone from a Hobbyist up to a small studio. And a hobbyist (like myself) should know better. Every camera I've bought I've done so not expecting any kind of immediate return if any. I bought them to learn; to improve my work. This isn't like a bunch of skateboard kids getting their christmas money together to buy a Canon HV series....
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
One should EASILY be able to make back $10 to $20K (within a year) in gear if they are a PRO owner operator. IMHO.
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Couldn't agree more. And I think saying a year is beyond generous. I personally can't plop down $30K plus lenses at the moment for Epic. I was rooting for the Epic-S. With that $25k would get me a pretty kick ass kit. The way I look at it now, I'm probably just gonna go balls out on whatever this Nov. 3rd offering is. Then later, but hopefully sooner, I can grab an Epic. This Scarlet should make an awesome B camera anyway.
 
All I am saying is that it PAINS me to see people in this economy (apparently) stretching to the max to buy a CAMERA, without a clear vision to RECOUP that investment. That's it.
and when the founder of the site shares the exact same sentiment (1000 of posts ago) themn understand I am simply reminding people that RED loves sales as much as anybody
but they know they cant meet every budget hence the PRO initiative earlier this year. Why should they compromise quality or features for sales?

JIM REFUSES... and thats what makes RED GREAT! and besides.

THATS WHAT CANON and SONY and PANASONIC DOES! Leaves out features to meet price points... and the shit becomes obsolete in a year.
 
Alex Joseski said:
Jarred Land said on another thread that the ordering Nov 3rd was US and UK. What about those outside these countries? Can we order from Australia?
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Hey Alex, Ordering will be open from RED.com. anyone from anywhere can order from there, all you need is a credit card, at least that is how I understand it
 
Travis Freeburg said:
Every camera I've bought I've done so not expecting any kind of immediate return if any. I bought them to learn; to improve my work. This isn't like a bunch of skateboard kids getting their christmas money together to buy a Canon HV series....
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I wouldn't discount the skateboard kids getting money together to buy a camera and produce videos. You're saying that simply because they skateboard all of a sudden they don't have the same intentions as you once did, to learn and improve their work? This is the second time I've heard a reference to a product (the other being Final Cut Pro X) that was for ''professional use'' and ''not for skateboarders''. Many have gotten their start filming extreme sports (myself included) and have gone on to successful careers. So I'd be more respectful when making such accusations and assumptions.
 
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