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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet 2/3" Fixed @ CES

and the interview fun, just keeps on coming...

here's one more

http://www.hak5.org/episodes/ces2011

(I perhaps should have pulled a Christian Bale when the interviewer was so uninformed that he called the Scarlet the RED 5.0 - but i cut him some slack, since he was a cool guy, does his editing in Premiere Pro, that I'm continually being impressed by their level of RED integration, and truth be told, that logo on the lcd monitor is frickin huge :-)

He does cover some good points in the interview, and since it was the end of the day, I was lazy and let them hold it to do the product close up, so you can see the black tape over the engineering test cable on the bottom of the camera, that I so nicely hid from all the other interviews... now you can see the camera, cable warts and all in it's alpha stage... (don't worry, it won't have a taped cable when it ships :-) figured that should be obvious, but seeing some of the other bizzare speculation on the forum, maybe best to clear that up right now! None of my comments should be taken as the final word... product is still in development... much can change as we get closer to first shipments.

+ Ted
 
Michael Dalton said:
2 hours is forever? A couple of hours with a red brick will get me no where! Last shoot I did, I was away from power for full week with intensive shooting. I went through 12 batteries on a 7d which last several hours each. Hopefully the smaller batteries on scarlet will last longer. Especially if boot times are somewhat slow, you need to keep the camera running a lot.
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Boot times on these new cameras are fast. No RED One boot-up times. The new RED batteries are said to power an EPIC-X for about 40 minutes. Presumably, Scarlet will last longer and have lower power draw. Which also stands to reason that a RED Brick would last longer than 2 hours on Scarlet, since it's said to last about 2 hours on an EPIC-X.

That said, there are plenty of charging options when out away from power. Happens to me a lot. I have a couple solar blankets I can use to drive battery chargers and other things. Works with the RED Bricks, I'm not worried about powering Scarlet or Epic.

- Battery life
- Battery price (can I afford 10?)
- Recharge time (can I recharge all of them when I do find power for a brief time or do I need several chargers)
- Battery weight + Chargers (try carrying 12 red bricks around)
- Card size
- Off load times
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All valid concerns, I guess. A lot still comes down to using the right tool (camera) for the job and/or budget.

(I often will shoot 1-3 hours footage per day or 1 to 2 32gb on a 7d. With redcode RAW how many cards will I need per day, and is it possible to off-load them in a night?
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Are we talking CF cards or SSDs? IMO, the SSD's are the much better way to go and even after buying the SSD module for the Scarlet, the media price should work out in favor of SSDs. Since we're talking Scarlet 2/3", if you record the maximum recordable format of 3072x1620 at 24fps and choose REDCODE 5:1, that's 45MB/s, if Scarlet does 16bit RAW like EPIC does. If it's 12bit RAW like the RED One, then it's 34MB/s.

Assuming the 45MB/s, 16GB of storage will give you roughly 5.9 minutes of shoot time. So a 256GB SSD would give you 95 minutes of record time.

You can double the record times by shooting 10:1 compression too, which is entirely acceptable. That's what we're used to shooting on the RED One -- 10:1 for RC28.

We need to see the full and final specs for Scarlet before we can know for sure.

Offload times are fast. Or at least the SSDs are fast. The bottleneck in most situations will be the media you are offloading to. If you're out in the field with a Macbook Pro and portable HDD storage, you will be crippled to some extent. If you shoot RC5:1 in the example above and need to offload at night, how long would it take you to write 750GB or so to your HDDs you have with you? Hopefully you can do mirrored / simultaneous copies while offloading.

How long will the laptop last if away from power for a week. I'll buy a brand new computer as soon as light peak or USB3.0 comes out just to cut transfer times down in the field (despite the fact I just got a new one) Too bad ESATA is not on Macs. Parallel cards are useless as you need proper power on the external drives.
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Sounds like you need to investigate alternative power solutions. I've been in long-term field shooting situations before and I always make sure I have a way to generate enough power to charge batteries and run any equipment I need to bring.

eSATA works just fine on Macs via ExpressCard or other modifications. I never leave home without an eSATA solution. As for USB3.0... It sucks. Hopefully it will be better once someone releases chipsets that fully implement the spec, but still it's got too much legacy dead weight holding it back. LightPeak looks a lot more promising, but is still a ways off, probably another year, given the reports from CES.

With new technology I always adapt to what the limitations are, but I'm so eager to get a Red, but I'm curious if it will be right for everything I do.
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It's up to you to find the right camera for your needs. It may be a product from RED, it may not be. I don't think power or camera size is going to be the big issue with Scarlet. It's going to be the ability to work with the data in the field and to be able to have adequate camera media and offload/storage media and hardware in the budget. It's a tough pill to swallow for sure.

You can always rent extra media and batteries for jobs that will take you out shooting for many days.
 
Bastien Tribalat said:
This picture reminds me something... What is the latest price announced for the rear SSD module and the Redvolt module ? (can't find it, I know it's somewhere burried under a lot of threads, I know thaaat)

(I tried to reduced the picture size with the forum's tool but seems I can't so sorry for that)
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Original price estimates were:
SSD Module: $1500
REDvolt Module (with 2 batteries): $1250
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Expect a change...
 
TedRed said:
I perhaps should have pulled a Christian Bale when the interviewer was so uninformed that he called the Scarlet the RED 5.0.
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Yeah, it wasn't a good start to the interview. You'd think he'd make sure he knew what the product was called before starting the interview. It was a good laugh at least.
 
Joel Arvidsson said:
Joseph do you know the price for the side ssd module?
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No, there has not been official word regarding price of the EPIC's side SSD module. However the DSMC's regular module is the same price as the current RED One SSD module. The only reason to think the side version would cost differently is because it is also more than a media recorder...it is also a port for connecting a RED monitor or a RED EVF (be it the first or second gen EVF).

EDIT: At least I haven't personally seen official word here on the forum...
 
Ted do you think there will be a scarlet fixed announcement this month or early feb thats give finale dates for manufactoring or release month?
 
And is hdr mode out of the running for the scarlet?

F
 
Steve Wake said:
Careful!!
Also, regarding using an on-camera shotgun, depending on the situation you might get significant fan noise. I plan to have a wireless receiver more-or-less permanently plugged into one of the inputs, so I can use an off-camera handheld or boom-mounted shotgun as my primary sound source for run and gun.
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Is there any solution around how to mount a shotgun (I use the MKH-416) on the Scarlet. I am scratching my head how this should work with the monitor on top???
Also, the fan noise was mentioned above. Everyone is so excited about the Scarlet (me too) but how is the camera noise if the microphone is attached to the camera? I am planning to use Scarlet for tv documentary, sometimes without sound person - so a proper sound is a serious issue.

Thanks, Jürgen
 
Jürgen Hansen said:
Is there any solution around how to mount a shotgun (I use the MKH-416) on the Scarlet. I am scratching my head how this should work with the monitor on top???
Also, the fan noise was mentioned above. Everyone is so excited about the Scarlet (me too) but how is the camera noise if the microphone is attached to the camera? I am planning to use Scarlet for tv documentary, sometimes without sound person - so a proper sound is a serious issue.

Thanks, Jürgen
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A lightweight magic arm on the cam, with a shockmount on the end to hold your shotgun. Beats the crap out of any on-camera mic clamp... :-)
 
TedRed said:
http://www.hak5.org/episodes/ces2011

(I perhaps should have pulled a Christian Bale when the interviewer was so uninformed that he called the Scarlet the RED 5.0 - but i cut him some slack, since he was a cool guy, does his editing in Premiere Pro, that I'm continually being impressed by their level of RED integration, and truth be told, that logo on the lcd monitor is frickin huge :-)
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I was laughing so much I had to pause the video. It looked like you were thinking: "Are you kiddin' me?!" You could have handleded it in many ways, and I think you chose the right way. BTW didn't notice the tape-stuff.
 
Jarred previously said about the Epic:
Fan noise is independently adjustable in speeds for both standby and recording, plus auto settings of course. Right now the lower limit setting is 35% fan speed.. as we optimize power settings that likely will go lower. The fans are user changeable as well remember.. we have a few fan options coming soon with different size/speed/noise ratios.
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I think it is a safe assumption that a similar system is being used for the Scarlet.
 
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August von Stolberg said:
So true. If there is a compelling story, told with visual fines, the right people will notice.
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Compelling story, no compelling story -- most people probably can't tell the difference. Except in broad daylight, it's usually easier to get suitably shallow DOF with a 2/3-inch sensor than it is to get deep DOF out of an S35 or, worse, full-frame sensor.
 
Oliver Moereels said:
A lightweight magic arm on the cam, with a shockmount on the end to hold your shotgun. Beats the crap out of any on-camera mic clamp... :-)
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Okay, that sounds doable. But for a camera light I would need a second magic arm? This would become a funny construction - I am just picturing the raincoat for that....
But seriously - the monitor on top does not make things easier for documentary style usage. And I assume, there are a lot of people around who would like to use the Scarlet not only for scenic shooting, where you have time and can control the environment.
Wouldn't a monitor at the side, which you could flip open, be better?
Thanks, Jürgen
 
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