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REDucation

I think the focused courses are a great idea. This would allow people to fill in the gaps in their knowledge without necessarily having to give up a full week. For example, I think a 3 day course on getting the most out of a RED RAW image from initial on-set look to the developing stage and finally a color correction session would be great. An experienced RED DIT and someone like Mike Most teaching this course would be killer.

A Lighting for RED course would be nice too. Explore how the sensor/color science responds to various types of light. Shoot a scene with HMIs, then the same scene with tungsten, then the same scene again with mixed lighting, etc. There's a lot of possibility there. A lot of people come to mind for teaching this course, but one of the obvious ones would be David Mullen. I would also recommend having a gaffer to co-teach this as well, someone with a lot of RED experience.

A RED workflow course makes a lot of sense. Obvious choices to teach this would be Brooke Willard and Steve Freebairn, but I'm sure there are many other qualified workflow specialists if they are not available.

As for the RED 101 course, with 5 days, you have the ability to cover a lot of ground and do a fair amount of hands on, which I believe is critical to fully understanding the camera. Taking it down to 3 days could still work, however as you mentioned it means less hands on and perhaps might compromise the learning if there's a lot to cram in. I'm sure it would still be very valuable and does make the course more affordable to those who were priced out on the 5 day format.

Another way to do the shortened course would be to include a DVD training video as a supplement that could go into further detail on concepts , have R3D files, demo software, etc. Or, so it's able to be updated, and remain current, maybe this is done via secure website where videos can be watched and files downloaded. Either way, this provides students reinforcement, so that the ideas and concepts don't get lost in the mad rush of a 2 or 3 day course. Obviously some people learn faster than others, and experience levels will differ.

I will keep an eye on the course schedule for 2011 as it develops, and for sure have an interest in attending. Would love to see Mike Most at work. If he doesn't teach a RED course, maybe he'll let me sit in the back of his CC suite and watch him dial in a few scenes. I always feel that no matter where we are in our professional careers, there is always a lot to be learned, new tricks and techniques to pick up.
 
Ted, I think shorter, targeted classes would be great, but there's also a lot to be said for being there for 5 or 6 long days straight in a row - for the level of immersion and the bonding that takes place. Reducation was a blast, and I'd love to experience something like that again while taking my skillset to another level. If you do break it down into 2 and 3 day classes, perhaps you could schedule them back-to-back-to-back so we have the option to combine 2 or 3 into a longer intensive. This would also save airfare for those of us flying in.

Steve, those are all great suggestions.
 
Also Ted, you should bring back Big Lu, Steve Lovett, and Chris Coyne as Teaching Assistants whenever they're available. Those guys are exceptional.
 
Ted, I think you're on to something. Those focused classes will be a hit! I agree a
back-back-back schedule would be great for those that want to take more than the basic 3 day course. I would take all of them except the editing and producing classes, but I know people who would take those courses too:) Can't wait for 2011.
 
Great Feedback, Thanks

So… Steve Sherrick, you up for helping me on some of your suggestions? :-)

I agree with the thoughts that in the logic of the shorter more focused 2 day courses, we do some of them as 2 or 3 back to back sessions (maybe with a day or two off between them so people can recharge their batteries)

This would help people making a long international, overseas or cross country trip justify the long travel and settle in for some comprehensive learning.

and there is for sure something special about spending a week with a group of like minded folks all in the same place, essentially looking to learn the same general stuff - it's kind of like summer camp for grown ups.

And doing it our studio this time around with all those resources, including the 4k projection and our huge screen in one of our sound stages, certainly added to the mix… I just wish I could find those level of resources in other places around the world so we can show off 4k properly to more people!

+ Ted
 
So it seems like in the "keep it simple approach" I should just start collecting emails of those around the world interested in the various 2 day courses, and if you would be interested in coming to RED studios to learn, or if you would rather have them as a course in your area of the world.

My email is very straightforward: ted@red.com

so send me your thoughts and I'll keep a running list with my team here, and we will make some announcements on 2011 REDucation when it's ready.

+ Ted
 
As a GRADUATE in DEC 2009 Reducation. I would much rather have shorter FOLLOW up workshops. Say, 2-3 day intensives, specific to say EPIC workflow seem most critical. 3D looked great, but I couldnt justify the expense for a 1 day workshop.

I also now offer shorter 1-3 day workshops based on what I learned. Since, teaching, as we all know, is a great way to learn - Im all for a course that certifies "instructors" because as killer as RED 4K projection is, its not practical for everyone to make it there.

What' also obvious is you guys cant teach thousands and tens of thousands of students... unless its virtual...

So why not certify instructors in every city? You could charge MORE for this because obviously they will recoup the investment teaching classes. I know I did.

best
 
Pre-req?

Pre-req?

What should one work/study on prior to taking this course?
Im more of a creative (3D, Motion, NLE and DAW) and will be working with the workflow of the RED data. I will get more into shooting in the near future.
 
right, so now I look super slow as I wander into this thread ;)

I just posted a thread on this very subject.

derp.
 
Ted, perhaps you could structure RED training in a similar way that Apple does their training certification programs. Create an initial 3 day RED course that covers essential details of acquisition, transcoding, and post production. Perhaps offer a 4th optional day that focuses on 3D acquisition and post production. Then offer additional 3 day courses that focus on specific aspects of RED production: DP & Assistant Camera, RED Tech, RED lab and editing, DI and distribution, and Stereo 3D specialization(s).

This would provide a robust certification program which could offer a Master certification for those who complete all courses. Offering an exam at the end of the course which requires an 85% passing grade to earn a certificate might further entice students.

Yes, I would love to work on developing and implementing this training.
 
Eric Santiago said:
What should one work/study on prior to taking this course?
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I watched FXPHD's course offerings of RED 102 & RED 206 before attending. I have about ten years post experience but no hands on RED work and these classes were a huge boost to my REDucation experience.
 
Peter Salvia said:
Ted, perhaps you could structure RED training in a similar way that Apple does their training certification programs. Create an initial 3 day RED course that covers essential details of acquisition, transcoding, and post production. Perhaps offer a 4th optional day that focuses on 3D acquisition and post production. Then offer additional 3 day courses that focus on specific aspects of RED production: DP & Assistant Camera, RED Tech, RED lab and editing, DI and distribution, and Stereo 3D specialization(s).

This would provide a robust certification program which could offer a Master certification for those who complete all courses. Offering an exam at the end of the course which requires an 85% passing grade to earn a certificate might further entice students.

Yes, I would love to work on developing and implementing this training.
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Although I do recognize the advantages of such a structured education system and the ability to certify graduates - I fear for students and the like, with tight budgets (yeah I count myself into this group).
It's already quite a lot of money, sure an investment, but the way it was done, promised a quite thorough education on the subject itself, plus additional insights, which are vital for future projects where one needs to work together with people from different technical backgrounds.

On the other hand, it would go a bit against RED's policy, at least as I remember it, that one could re-educate others with what he/she learnt during Reducation.
 
Reducation NYC soon Please!!!!
 
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