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[Bing Bailey]

where can we get build 19 ? having the ability to import other formats into redcine x would make it so much more functional specially for vfx shots since you can't write out .R3D

 

[Bob Gundu]

I'm confused about this? How is this going to help vfx shots?

where can we get build 19 ? having the ability to import other formats into redcine x would make it so much more functional specially for vfx shots since you can't write out .R3D

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Redmere cables seem to work alright. When actually running bandwidth testing on the cables, the high-speed 24AWG (4K rated) HDMI's from monoprice actually perform better than their Redmere ones. But those high-speed cables (non Redmere) don't support integrated ethernet or audio return, if you need that stuff. The Monoprice Redmere and high-speed rated perform as good as anything else out there on the market that I've found.

I have a love/ hate relationship with the SEIKI. It has a pretty nice image once you get it dialed in. On the other hand, it's built like a total piece of crap and it has a lot of issues with signal compatibility and drop-outs from more than a few 4K sources I've tried. The 3rd HDMI input on the panel seems to have the worst issues and I'm blaming that on improper EMI shielding with its close proximity to the power supply. All things considered, it's a hack-job of a panel, rushed to market and not well tested. I'm reluctant to put it in a situation where high profile clients can see it because it likes to glitch out every now and then, even on sources that are typically fine. I've got a client that's hooking me up with a 55" Sony 4K next week and I'll probably be using that a lot more, may even just sell the SEKI. And yeah, the side speakers on the Sony 4K panels are pretty fugly. Typical Sony design, though -- it seems every few generations of TV, they have to try the Dumbo-ear speaker design and it's always met with luke-warm reception and even outright criticism. The speakers do sound nice for integrated speakers on a flat panel, but still suck compared to any decent sound system you would be likely to pair with a display like this.

 

[Rob Anderson]

We are using these as our desktop monitors in the office hooked up to our computers, and as I mentioned we get the same drift in and out issues. There is a solution for that panel.. Griffin makes a stabilizer that fixes it almost instantly for whatever device you hook up to... but its not a cheap solution.

We haven't had these issues with the Seiki's we're using. And we've also set the bar appropriately low for these. Without a doubt, these are $1K monitors. But the bang for that buck is pretty unreal. That said, can you clarify what the Gefen solution is you mentioned? Product name? We've had clients buying these for personal and board room playback. I'd like to know the Gefen stabilizer you mentioned to recommend to them. Thanks Jarred.

 

[Bill Sepaniak]

... I'd like to know the Griffin stabilizer you mentioned to recommend to them. ...

While I wouldn't presume to put words in Jarred's mouth, I think he probably meant "Gefen" and not "Griffin."

Here is Ron Lagerlof's post back on May 11th.:

"OK, sports fans... News Flash!!!

The FW update did a good job to make the OPPO BDP-103 rock solid and significantly improved one particularly bothersome source, but did not completely cure it. So, then - I tried this hookup, after discussing with the chief tech at Gefen, he suggested I try their GTB-HDMI-3DTV extender. Plugged it all together and BAM! NO sync issues or dropouts from my "bothersome" source...

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/gtb-hdmi-3d...p?prod_id=9420

You may also be able to use this one which is $100 less... probably has the same chipset.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/gtv-hdbt-ca...?prod_id=10870

BTW - cables used are 6' long Monoprice "High Speed" HDMI (the ones with the nylon mesh "Net Jacket") from the receiver to the TV and a 4' cable (same type) from the device to the sender unit. I'm using an off the shelf CAT6 patch cable in the photo and tried a home-built one about 6' long which also worked. I will try progressively longer cables and report back.

The issue, as it was explained to me is that the SEIKI has trouble with "weak" HDMI signals and it appears that the Gefen solution drives the signal at a level that the display is happy with. And, now, I'm very happy!!!"


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[Jeff Kilgroe]

I may have just stumbled across a similar solution to the Gefen which is quite a bit cheaper and seems to work. ...Initial tests promising, more info soon.

 

[Jarred Land]

Sorry yes the was Gefen not Griffin Thanks Bill.

I would package that a little differently though.. I dont think the Seiki has problems with "weak" HDMI signals.. i would say they have a problem with "normal" HDMI signals, and prefers strong "stong/boosted" signals.

 

[Rob Anderson]

Awesome. Thanks guys.

 

[Clark Dunbar]

couple of suggestions/requests for REDRay Player

- Internal Drive
Organization - the option to add folders and groupings of the content assets (ie Utility Folder for Test clips, PreLoaded Content folder, and then other folders as needed)
Drive Status - the display of the drive current capacity and file sizes (and with the folders - their size too)

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

SUCCESS!!!

As Ron reported with the Gefen HDBASE-T extender with the SEIKI, I happened to have a similar one here that I was using to run a projector recently. The specs say 340MHz up to 10.2Gbps all channels, so I gave it a shot and it worked! Tested for about 25 minutes, no glitches or hiccups. Works at 24fps, can't promise that anything faster than that will work. Monoprice HDBASE-T extender for < $200. Less than half what the Gefen unit costs. I was using a 25 foot CAT-6 cable and all was well.

 

[Pax]

Jeff- Great news. Thanks for posting!

 

[John Geronilla]

I'd recommend against the monoprice extender. Had a bunch of them fail over a couple months at our facility. Could have been a bad batch, though... Gefen is the way to go.

 

[Ron Lagerlof]

Sorry yes the was Gefen not Griffin Thanks Bill.

I would package that a little differently though.. I dont think the Seiki has problems with "weak" HDMI signals.. i would say they have a problem with "normal" HDMI signals, and prefers strong "stong/boosted" signals.

Yeah, Jarred. That is what I meant to say... (fingers flying across the keyboard in my excitement to get picture on the Seiki) FYI - I'm using the same Gefen hookup coming out of the GTX580 Mac Edition from the Mac Pro, so the issue is clearly with the Seiki...

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

I'd recommend against the monoprice extender. Had a bunch of them fail over a couple months at our facility. Could have been a bad batch, though... Gefen is the way to go.

I'll agree with that, the Gefen stuff is usually pretty reliable -- I'm using some of their matrix switchers and HDBASE-T products, DVI switchers, etc..

The Monoprice unit has some quirks, starting with that it doesn't use PoE like the Gefen HDBASE-T modules. And the IR buds are stupidly big and ridiculous looking, if you need to use such things. I have two of these Monoprice HDBASE-T units and so far no troubles <knock wood>. One of them has been in use 10+ hours a day for 3 months. The one I just tried with the REDRAY and SEIKI has performed flawlessly on a temporary projector install running 1080p over 100 feet to the projector without issues. Got used probably 8 to 12 hours per week for the past month.

The older Monoprice HDMI extenders that used dual CAT-5 cables, and were not HDBASE-T based, were total crap -- tons of failures.

 

[Les Dittert]

So how does that 9 megabit uhd video look, boys ?

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

So how does that 9 megabit uhd video look, boys ?

Better than anything I've seen from H.265 stuff out there so far, even at double the bit rate. Just from playing around here, it looks like the 18Mbps is where most stuff will be encoded. 36Mbps if you can afford the extra data bloat or if you have tons and tons of fine details and fast motion to preserve. Although at this point, I can't distinguish between the two for anything I've run through it. 9Mbps feels a bit over-compressed, but not bad at all. No macro-blocking or other things we see even on Blu-Ray.

I've seen some banding on things, but I'm blaming the monitors at this point. The SEIKI has some real issues with banding and the banding isn't as bad and looks a bit different on the Samsung in the problem spots. I wish my DLP was still functional -- this 75" Samsung was just purchased to replace it. That DLP had an awesome picture and rarely had such issues. Oh well... Sometimes we have to take a step or two back before we leap forward. Can't complain about the new 75 incher. Wonderful color reproduction and I can hang it on the wall. Only weighs about 55lbs. I could hang it all by myself if my arms were each about 10 inches longer. Jarred could probably do it. hahahaaa..

 

[Clark Dunbar]

also - just ran a test on a clip at the 9 "standard" setting - looks good, but will agree with Jeff that I'll use the 18 setting most of the time.

Another request on the RR player - figuring it's going to be used a lot in screening rooms and meetings - would be wonderful if we have a stop and then advance 'frame-by-frame' feature - forward/backward.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Yes, completely agree with that. We can pause, but would be nice to jog forward and back. Can we set markers in the form of chapters or other breaks to skip between as well.

I also want to echo Clarks comments above. Would be great to know details on hard drive capacity, free space, sizes and compression ratios of various items.


Also, how about integration? Crestron, GAVA, etc...? Really hoping there's IP control here that we can access.

 

[Charles_Z]

Can you encode any non-.R3D content yet? I'd like to see some uncompressed footage to go through the codec before we make any proclamations about .RED being superior to HEVC or vice versa.

 

[Clark Dunbar]

yes - you can import dlx sequences from any source into the new RCX B19 and add your audio tracks - and encode to .red for the REDRay playback (preferred 4k original or better - but just tried a 3K clip and it looked great)