REDRAY Comments

[J Velazquez]

There is..but ODEMAX wants to demo that in person at the Sundance House at Sundance. You need to let your mind run free on this one.. if you look at the spec sheet and see that there is both a PROGRAM and a MONITOR output.. that should give you a bit of a clue just how far you can go with it...

Interactive/menu layering!!! I already pre ordered mine. Hope among configuring options is the possibility of choosing different subtitles without having to burn them into the image. With this ODEMEX and distribution companies could cover regional markets in US, Europe, Asia, etc. without having to re encode different versions.

 

[Michael Moreno]

So if you are using a display that only supports 1080p, how will 4K and other content delivered on the Redray compare to Bluray?

Good question.. based on the possibility that in the beginning most people will use it with a 1080p monitor or projector

 

[Jon Thomasberg]

That's not the reason, as with a codec operating at 2.5MB/s your network connection isn't working very hard

Two Ethernet ports means one can go to the internet or an automation controller, the other is available to connect to an Ethernet based SAN

So is it supporting just NAS (Network Attached Storage) protocols, like CIFS and NFS, or does the port have a FCoE-enabled ASIC or full on CNA (Converged Network Adapter) which will support both FC and TCP/IP protocol stacks?

 

[Stuart English]

....you must have missed my question about AUDIO formats for the RED RAY.

What does it support? DTS-hd true-HD?

The .RED codec delivers pristine video and audio performance, so no need for a different audio codec.

We decode and hand off 7.1 Ch LPCM 24-bit 48KHz audio via an HDMI 1.3 cable to your AV Receiver.


Then the other codec we support is .MP4, meaning for audio that's the industry standard AAC codec.

 

[Alexander Mejia]

I'm glad that there is a competitor for DCP, and the fact that it's actually affordable means that indies can get in on the pie.

However I'm concerned about quality. while 12-BPC YUV 4:2:2 Will be fine for projection, the 2.5MegaByte per second delivery leaves me skeptical. Even the best 1920x1080 x264 encodes look OK at that bitrate. I wouldn't even dare encoding a 4096x2160 at such a low bitrate even for desktop playback, let alone projection on a cinema screen. I wan't to believe, my my past experience with codecs tells me it cannot be so, especially if you are adding your own film grain in post.

The other thing that troubles me is that the color space is only listed as rec.709. Why not XYZ color space? Why not something better? Having a vivid and bright picture is what makes consumers go "wow that does look great" and with rec.709 properly calibrated you won't really have a very vivid picture. The customer wont be clamoring to go to theaters that have red ray advertised, because it wont have a more vivid picture.

We as gurus in the business will see the resolution, but did you see the consumers look at iPad 2, and iPad 3 side by side on opening night, and the alarming amount of customers saying that the iPad 2 had a better looking screen?

I need to see to believe.

 

[Steven Blye]

Odemax and RED are leveling the playing field. Odemax launches first by giving the independent producer, filmmaker, studio and distributor a system that will place them in the same distribution league as the major studio. Odemax is not a distributor, but rather is a distribution platform. Meaning we'll even allow the major studios to distribute their stories too, as long as they're 4K. We'll have some announcements regarding that soon.

Since Scarlet debayers to less than 4K is that still considered a 4K finished product?

 

[Jarred Land]

Since Scarlet debayers to less than 4K is that still considered a 4K finished product?

Yes.

 

[Martin Stevens]

All I can say is "Wow" Jared and all those involved at Red.

Mind Blowing Thread.

 

[Jarred Land]

However I'm concerned about quality. while 12-BPC YUV 4:2:2 Will be fine for projection, the 2.5MegaByte per second delivery leaves me skeptical. Even the best 1920x1080 x264 encodes look OK at that bitrate. I wouldn't even dare encoding a 4096x2160 at such a low bitrate even for desktop playback, let alone projection on a cinema screen. I wan't to believe, my my past experience with codecs tells me it cannot be so, especially if you are adding your own film grain in post.

You need to see for yourself. Alot of people here have.. Tattoo was probably the most difficult film to compress we have come across.. low light with a ton of gradient shadows and snow and a fades.. and it looked incredible. We showed that in less than 2.5MB/s and people seemed pretty impressed.. i would ask someone who saw it. LOOM was pretty difficult as well, throwing 3D@4k into the mix... that was shown in .RED format at NAB as well... a ton of people saw that as well.

 

[Ben A.]

Thanks for the honesty Jarred! I figured you can have one or the other but not both. It's the right decision and hopefully there will be a render farm option or service in the near future while they optimize the code. And one of these days we will see a New Mac Pro, but will it be before the world goes off the rails? Im getting a little freaked out by all the lines in the sky that they are spraying... and what the hell are they spraying!

FIY, my free lancing German programer Genius might be a huge asset for Red to pick up. He is now doing CoreMelt Filters and Lock N Load. He is amazing with math, image science and pixel tracking, but he as nicely as I can put it, has a very bad ( German ) sense of user interface.. i.e. see istabilizer v1. I worked with him for free to update the GUI to be useable in v2. I had to pull teeth to get more than 1 way to do the same task, he just couldn't get it that ya need a Button, keystroke and menu item for the same task.

Let me know if you think he would be an asset, I will give you his email. I think he could give your boy G a run for his money, just don't let him do any GUI My only motive in this is so we can have a better RED camera quicker

 

[Mike P.]

2.5MB/s is 20mbps... That's not that small (10mbps at 2k h264 looks mint... 4k is twice that, and so is 20mbps).

I'm more interested in the GPU decode in a few of those pics.

 

[Dan Frenkel]

ITS A RED WORLD

ITS A RED WORLD

ITS A RED WORLD ONCE AGAIN!!!!

 

[Vadim Bobkovsky]

4k 2.5MB/s, what sorcery is this? Gandalf and Ragadast are working at Red now?

 

[Jarred Land]

2.5MB/s is 20mbps... That's not that small (10mbps at 2k h264 looks mint... 4k is twice that, and so is 20mbps).

I'm more interested in the GPU decode in a few of those pics.

4K isnt twice as much as 2K.. it is 4X.

 

[Jarred Land]

4k 2.5MB/s, what sorcery is this? Gandalf and Ragadast are working at Red now?

Have you ever met Graeme? I am almost certain he was pulled out of middle earth.

 

[Steve Freebairn]

Believe it or not, but I have to call my ISP tomorrow and complain about my upload speed (it should be symmetrical)


I'm quite excited for RED Ray and all the other fun announcements that RED has for us.

 

[Ben A.]

Alexander I have been to all the NAB'S and trust me when Jarred and I say, you have no idea how amazing 1.5MB looks. But the price is a long render time to get those crazy low bit rates. Hear me now and believe me later it's the real deal and you need not even worry another second.

 

[Jarred Land]

hopefully there will be a render farm option or service in the near future while they optimize the code.

I know there will be...

 

[Dan Frenkel]

4K isnt twice as much as 2K.. it is 4X.

Jarred, Can you tell us what the specs are on the Laser being used in the RED projector i.e, (RED, GREEN, BLUE, UV) etc.? I would love to know how many mW it is for lumens or brightness and when you might release the DLP?

Thank you sir, any info would be awesome!!!!

 

[Stuart English]

I need to see to believe.

Trust me, you are not the first one to say that to us - you'll just have to take our word for this until you can see it for yourself.

...while 12-BPC YUV 4:2:2 Will be fine for projection, the 2.5MegaByte per second delivery leaves me skeptical. Even the best 1920x1080 x264 encodes look OK at that bitrate. I wouldn't even dare encoding a 4096x2160 at such a low bitrate even for desktop playback, let alone projection on a cinema screen...

You are absoluetly correct in what you say, but the fundamental difference is that this is the .RED codec at work.

The other thing that troubles me is that the color space is only listed as rec.709. Why not XYZ color space? Why not something better?

Don't read a .RED codec color gamut limitation into this quoted spec. It's just reflecting the specificied gamma and gamut for Ultra HD displays ....