RED party reel powered by RED RAY

[Jannard]

What kind of projector was the RED-RAY connected to?

A Sony 4K projector...

Jim

 

[Justin O'Neill]

Just to make certain that I understand at least one implication of this: Does this mean that, for $1 000, I can compress Scarlet footage with RedRay, post it on my web site along with a download link to the decoder ring portion of the RedRay codec and anyone (whose machine meets playback specs) can view my compressed footage . . . or not?

Here is my analysis: RED RAY is absurdly cheap because RED thinks they can sell millions of RED RAY boxes to consumers, theaters, etc. It is basically a 4k DVD player for your home theater.

Now fewer people are going to be encoding 4k RED RAY and this is why the RED Rocket is under $5k. There will always be fewer creators then viewers so equipment on our side of the equation will always be more expensive.

 

[J Davis]

A Sony 4K projector...

Jim

Just looked at the prices on Silverado site ...
I guess I won't be getting one for my apartment then !!!

EDIT:
Will it be possible to hook these up to smaller/cheaper projectors?
This would be of great benefit to indie film festivals

 

[Christian Edwards]

A Sony 4K projector...

Jim

via An Rca Jack (im having a laugh)

 

[Raul Gonzo]

so... next up- Red projectors?

 

[Joe Kavanagh]

So let me make sure I have my math right here:
RedRay 4k Demo Reel: 5:45 / 450 MB = 1.3 MB/sec
My 16 GB Thumb Drive could carry ~3 hours 24 minutes of RedRay 4k Footage?

Can someone confirm that my understanding of this is right? I just can't believe it. I feel like I must be missing something here.

-Joe Kavanagh

 

[Jared Caldwell]

so... next up- Red projectors?

Please.

I was just posting on ScarletUser that the only thing left is projection. Once we get our 4k projector, we can set up tent and start our circus.

You do want us to be able to have a circus, don't you Jim? *tear* :}

 

[J Davis]

I just checked RED.com (I hardly ever go there as I am always going here)
and the specs for RED-RAY say

SPECIFICATIONS:

* PLAYS 4K, 2K, 1080P, 720P AND SD FROM RED DISC AND RED EXPRESS
* ALSO PLAYS NATIVE RAW R3D FILES FROM COMPACT FLASH

From this can I infer that it will connect to consumer priced projectors? 1080p screens etc?
Similar to the RED-ROCKET card its an R3D processing box?

 

[Chuck Z]

I'm in the same boat as Erik only because of the fact that lots of consumers cannot (or will not) see the difference between DVD and Blu-ray.

One comparison shot between an uncompressed frame and wavelet-compressed frame is all I need--even if it's only 1080p.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Ok, so is this right for the 300 that was projected?

10-bit x 4096 x 2048 x 24fps = 10Mbit/s

EDIT... sorry about the price fudge-up

 

[Ben Holmes]

Can anyone explain to me why I would buy RED Rocket when I can play R3Ds at 1080p into my existing capture cards at 10-bit using Red Ray? I've made do with this 'limited' workflow for quite a few years now - it was called tape. Not sure, apart from the native grading options I'm really losing here for four grand...

 

[Kenneth Elkington]

Can anyone explain to me why I would buy RED Rocket when I can play R3Ds at 1080p into my existing capture cards at 10-bit using Red Ray? I've made do with this 'limited' workflow for quite a few years now - it was called tape. Not sure, apart from the native grading options I'm really losing here for four grand...

Because 4k is much bigger than 1080p. If cannibalizing your workflow for $4k then, by all means, but maintaining the highest possible resolution throughout post-production is going to net you the best picture.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Personally I am also wondering if this will enable me to quickly crop with ease, if there was the need, like I now do with 1080 source for a 720/480 out. I suppose the answer is yes.

I still intend to do my work at 2k on a Panasonic 25.5", though finishing at 4k at the post house will likely become more of a possibility with lower budgets! I hope soon.

I guess it is only a matter of what 4k monitors will be out there and for how much. A pro grader approved 4k monitor for $30,000 would mean that the total investment for a top notch facility would fall under $50k... that is a lot cheaper than having to pony up for Scratch.

Please point out where my reasoning might fall short. I'd love to hear about this.

 

[Tony Lorentzen]

I say dump the idea of having a spinning media in the REDRAY and focus on connectivity and portability. If this thing is able to play back stunning footage at 10 mbit/sec then put WiFi, Ethernet, Firewire, USB, ESATA and various solid state media slots in it and HDMI and SDI outputs (and maybe DVI too). In a few years nobody will be producing spinning discs anymore... You'll either buy movies online or on cheap solid state media. They just need to come up with a way to secure the content.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

I was there, I saw it. I knew ahead of time about the compression so I sat in the front row and looked very hard at the gradients, the explosions, the darks (the darkest of which was my footage in the reel , etc and could not detect any banding, blocks, artifacts or any sign that this was compressed at all. And to repeat, I was on the front row looking at a 40ft? screen.

To be honest, if it were anyone but Red, I would flatly accuse any company making such claims as outright lies (PT Barnum style). But Red has integrity, I believe them.

4k @ 10Mbit/s can change everything

 

[Petr Dvorak]

I guess there is future for distribution of movies on usb, esata flash drives. USB is nearly on every computer device and you dont need to buy or carry relatively expensive and heavy disk drive. But data dont last long on it.

 

[Chris Newman]

Not a word from Jim or anyone else at RED in response to everyone asking about if and when RED is going to make a projector. All in due time, I suppose.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

So will the license/codec be ~$4,000 since $5k was first quoted?

Two different products. RED RAY is the playback box @ under $1K. RED ROCKET is the REDCODE accelerator card that plugs into a PCIe slot and will be under $5K.

But I think we need to wait for more details before we'll know just how and where these two products will meet. I'm thinking that RED ROCKET will be a great tool for processing your REDCODE camera footage into RED RAY format so you can play it back on a RED RAY player.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Yes Jeff, indeed, Ralph B. also sent me a PM about it. Sorry about that.

Running on next to no sleep from staying up last night for announcements.

I edited the post.

 

[J Davis]

I sat in the front row and looked very hard at the gradients, the explosions, the darks (the darkest of which was my footage in the reel , etc and could not detect any banding, blocks, artifacts or any sign that this was compressed at all.

Its good that you knew your own footage and had this as reference. Great news indeed when considering the amazing data rate. Love reading 1st hand news.