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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED ONE M-X Sensor Upgrade Program

Brent@RED said:
We do not do sales at RED DAYs at RED STUDIOS Hollywood at this time. If you want to pick up a Rocket at store in Lake Forest office, sure - but note you would have to pay applicable sales tax.

BC
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But I'd be able to get a tax excempt when leaving CA/USA?
 
Not an expert in import/export laws and taxation, so cannot answer that, Tony. Only disclaiming that if the point of delivery is RED, you will pay sales tax.

BC
 
Brigham Edgar said:
Sorry Zakaree you are mistaken...so was i until i read this post

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40271&page=2

The new sensor is not more sensitive to light... it just has a much lower noise floor so you can push it further (use higher ISOs). Much less rolling shutter (comparable to a film camera) and black sun is fixed.

Jim
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Ow, red lettering on grey is painful to read!
 
Ajit Gupta said:
Guys any idea which serial nos are getting upgraded right now.
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Red 137 is currently in the shop. Last I heard they weren't taking anything past 300.

-Thor
 
All orders paid for up until Feb 8, 2008. No serial #s past 600 at this time. This is coming from the horse's mouth.
 
I recieved #98 on Friday. 1 week from Fedex pick up to Fedex delivery. Very Fast!!!!

Thanks, Red MX UPGRADE team!!
 
Brigham Edgar said:
Sorry Zakaree you are mistaken...so was i until i read this post

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40271&page=2

The new sensor is not more sensitive to light... it just has a much lower noise floor so you can push it further (use higher ISOs). Much less rolling shutter (comparable to a film camera) and black sun is fixed.

Jim
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ahh ok.. my mistake..
I guess it doesnt really matter.. all that matters is the camera can be used in low light situations.
I see how the low noise floor vs higher sensitivity is actually a benefit.
 
So to make sure i am clear on this Jim...the new MX sensor being the same sensitivity as the M sensor, actually does not give us more dynamic range in acquisition of what it can see in a scene but enables one to able to extract more of the sensors dynamic range before hitting your noise tolerance? Hence giving us the extra 1.5 -2 stops of usable DR. And so does this mean we are going to get results from varying sources arguing that the sensors native ISO at RAW is a little under 250 as we currently do under the M sensor?

This is just a purely technical question because being able to pull off a pretty damn clean ISO2000 is well...just bloody fantastic!
 
Brigham Edgar said:
So to make sure i am clear on this Jim...the new MX sensor being the same sensitivity as the M sensor, actually does not give us more dynamic range in acquisition of what it can see in a scene but enables one to able to extract more of the sensors dynamic range before hitting your noise tolerance? Hence giving us the extra 1.5 -2 stops of usable DR. And so does this mean we are going to get results from varying sources arguing that the sensors native ISO at RAW is a little under 250 as we currently do under the M sensor?

This is just a purely technical question because being able to pull off a pretty damn clean ISO2000 is well...just bloody fantastic!
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Dynamic Range is defined as signal/noise ratio... so the M-X sensor has more DR than M. Sensitivity is a separate issue.

People can argue whatever they want about "native" ISO. ISO is a range. One reason that people tried to rate M sensor at ISO 250 is because that is where mid-grey fell. That is not the case with M-X and the new FLUT Color Science. Please try to forget the idea that a digital sensor has a "native" sensitivity. That will only screw up the decision making process.

Jim
 
Richard Darge said:
Jim what about native color temperatures? Can we expect the same?
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Early on... the "native color temperature" of the M sensor was critical because it fell down hard in tungsten. Then tungsten got a lot better with improved science and firmware. Now... better again. And better still with the M-X because the sensor is more quiet everywhere. We shot a LOT of footage under tungsten last week that looks clean as a whistle with M-X. So... long story short, the "native temp" of the M-X is still about 5000K. But you shouldn't be afraid to shoot tungsten, sodium vapor, match-lit, or any other light source with M-X. Proof is in the footage being posted (see new M-X reel, OffHollywood footage). We'll have more soon that blows you away.

Jim
 
Jannard said:
Dynamic Range is defined as signal/noise ratio... so the M-X sensor has more DR than M. Sensitivity is a separate issue.

People can argue whatever they want about "native" ISO. ISO is a range. One reason that people tried to rate M sensor at ISO 250 is because that is where mid-grey fell. That is not the case with M-X and the new FLUT™™™ Color Science. Please try to forget the idea that a digital sensor has a "native" sensitivity. That will only screw up the decision making process.

Jim
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I understand all this, and i thought that was what i wrote as it's what i meant.

Anyway, I have always centred using the M sensor at 320 (and to 250 & 500 when needed) because of the DR placement over and under, but i do know a host of people that go to 250 and stick to it and i have even heard of less because that is where they measured it, and if the M-X measured the same, they would say the same...that's all. It's a good discussion point...as is the changing of the ISO on a scene by scene basis because of the range in the scene itself.

Personally, i can't wait for #903 to get 'called in' and upgrade so i can start off at 5-800 and try to find some shots where i have a reason to push 2000 and finally get some time with the FLUT™™ and M-X. It's really going to bring the Red One from it's light hungry state to something even more flexible/forgiving and in turn 'easier' to use.
 
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What would happen then when you are seeing the image on camera on lets say your lcd monitor in RAW view mode, and you want to shoot at ISO 2000?
Isnt iso a metadata modifier? I mean, with more DR and with ISO 2000 being usable, new exposing tools should be considered right?
 
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