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Opinion on EVF.

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Just curious what people's opinions are who have used the EVF. Do you find yourself not using it very much? On a lot of the BTS pictures posted mostly what I see is the LCD, so I was curious what people's thoughts are.
 
I think the few EVF were distributed under some sort of NDA until Red has finished tweeting the software that drives it.

emmanuel
 
There are a few EVF's being tested out there, but to my knowledge the EVF isn't shipping yet - word is we're close though.

I used Stuart English's RED EVF on RED #8 briefly at the Jackson Hole Wildlife Film Festival a few weeks ago. In a word: impressive. Those of you who have used an AccuScene EVF before will be relatively familiar with what the RED EVF can do - but IMO RED has done some excellent RED-friendly enhancements to the EVF.

I used the RED EVF in a mobile EFP setup on #8, with the RED 18-50 zoom in 4k RC RAW, and also with the RED B4 adaptor and a Fujinon 16x6.5 HD EFP/ENG zoom lens in 2k RC RAW. Thanks to Stuart for the brief loan of his EVF for my shooting.

My first impression? Very cool. I can't wait to get my RED EVF and put it to work. I've had very good results with the LCD also, but for the wide range of cine-style and EFP style productions I do, I need both the EVF and LCD, and both will be used extensively.

We should have an EVF to shoot with at the upcoming LART sessions, so look for our impressions of it. BTW...yesterday I started a new thread on the LART forum announcing the re-scheduled LART dates as November 17 (Saturday) and November 18 (Sunday). More details on the LART forum shortly...

The EVF rocks...
 
I am very excited about the EVF, I saw the Accuview a couple years ago at NAB and loved it had to have it for our CineAlta.....then they told me the price it was like $18000 I then turned and walked away. Imagine cost more the Red body itself! I was very excited when I heard it was being used on Red.
 
Gibby said:
The EVF rocks...
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Gibby,

I know you didn't have the EVF for very long, but could you give us a quick run down of what you liked and didn't like about the EVF. And the LCD, for that matter.
 
Red-evf

Red-evf

Clarification. The RED-EVF is not an Accuscene, but the point is - if you have previously had a demo of an Accuscene, you will find common design ideas. A key difference is that where the Accuscene was a stand alone device, the RED-EVF is a digital display system that is fully integrated with, and cannot operate independent of, the RED-ONE.

Advantages of the RED-EVF include - lower cost, SurroundView(tm) and user programmable control surface inputs back to the the camera
 
Sumfun said:
Gibby,

I know you didn't have the EVF for very long, but could you give us a quick run down of what you liked and didn't like about the EVF. And the LCD, for that matter.
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I'd be happy to post a quick summary of my initial impression of the EVF and a more in-depth impression of the LCD, which I've used extensively for seven weeks now. I'll do that later today - I'm slammed with a "To Do" list for my projects right now.

Thanks for that clarification Stuart. I didn't mean to imply that the RED EVF was an AccuScene, just that anyone who has used the AccuScene will have a rough idea of the build/usage/quality of the RED EVF.
 
Evf

Evf

No problem Gibby. People keep asking thats all.

Can you post an images of the EVF in action at Jackson?
 
Stuart, when will both the HD-SDI feeds and the onboard LCD and EVF feeds be able to operate simultaneously?

I find the lack of being able to operate with the onboards while having a set monitor to be a serious issue.
 
Stuart English said:
...user programmable control surface inputs back to the the camera
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I like the sound of this. How does this feature work?

I always thought it would be cool to have a small 16x9 touch pad to instantly zoom the view to full resolution in relative XY location of the touch. Then, to allow you to slide your finger around to see a pixel for pixel view around the image.

Could this be the type of "control surface" you mentioned?
 
Evf

Evf

Control surfaces mean - you have a rotary encoder and three push buttons - what do you intend to do with them?

HD-SDI and EVF / LCD out at the same time is being worked on. Meanwhile ou can push / pull the video between them.
 
Stuart English said:
Can you post an image of the EVF in action at Jackson?
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Absolutely...here's some pics of RED #8 in full non-hardlined EFP mode, sporting the RED EVF, RED B4 adaptor, and a Fujinon 16x6.5 HD EFP/ENG zoom.

The overall rig felt nearly identical in weight and balance to the mobile EFP camera systems I've used extensively for most of my career. What has impressed me is how RED One morphs into what you want it to be for each project, whether it be cine-style or EFP style.

With the EVF I seriously liked the SurroundView feature, the HD resolution (1280x868), the concept of user programmable buttons, having the camera data selectable for display above and below the frame, and many other features.

I only tested the EVF out for about a half hour, but it was more than enough to make me very stoked that I ordered one for RED #8. The range of shooting styles and genres I do calls for both the EVF and LCD.

BTW...the 2k RC RAW footage from that setup came out very good. The rig handled just how professional TV/video shooters are used to. I did all focusing manually (using the simple image magnification function of the camera), and nailed all exposure accurately by simply using 100 IRE zebra and protecting for the highlights. I didn't have the connector for the powered zoom rocker switch, that uses RED One's auxiliary 12v bus, but that would have completed the EFP style setup. Mobile EFP production with RED One is a reality folks...

Big thanks to Clark Dunbar of Mammoth HD for taking the pics and supplying them to me.
 
Jay A. Kelley said:
Gibby,

How much does the 2K windows mode change the focal lenght.. I'm not looking for numbers as much as "did you really notice it, or was it a small change"

Jay
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Small change...not a hindrance or annoyance at all.
 
Alexander Nikishin said:
Stuart, when will both the HD-SDI feeds and the onboard LCD and EVF feeds be able to operate simultaneously?

I find the lack of being able to operate with the onboards while having a set monitor to be a serious issue.
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My understanding is all outputs will be operational simultaneously very soon. This will be very useful.

Jim
 
tj williams said:
Hi Gibby will the camera balance on your shoulder ie like Aaton? It looks like the shoulder piece does not come far enough back???
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The way I had it rigged, it was balanced pretty well. The Fujinon 16x6.5 lens used in the pic is pretty light for its size. The EVF weight is just about at the center of balance axis. I think a sliding-position shoulder pad system, and mounting the EVF at the center of balance, will help balance the rig with each possible lens/EVF/battery/ combination for shoulder held shooting.
 
Gibby,

Thanks for posting your impressions and the pictures. Looks like the Red One can be handled pretty much like any other EFP camera, which should boost its sales.

Did you try the LCD in the same shoulder mount configuration? Looks like it might be too close to your face to get a clear picture.
 
EVF questions

EVF questions

Gibby,

Thanks for all your efforts to supply info to the community as you are able.

I had a couple of questions:

Can you explain what SurroundView is?
Was getting the evf horizon parallel to the camera a challenge?

Thanks, Vince
 
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