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Nvidia Quadro K5000 for mac

Dustin Cross said:
What is the best card to use with Smoke? Since it is OpenGL, I am guessing a Quadro 4000 or maybe 6000 would perform better than GTX5xx or GTX6xx. Has anyone done any testing?


Dusty
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For any Autodesk related apps Id ask them first. They have strict requirements in the past. PIA when you call for support and your system does not meet their requirement list :p
 
Hi Jeff,

Curious if you feel the same about possible use of K5000 and say Mid 2012 - Not really expecting a change of conclusion - but never hurts to ask, these K5000 are now available and they sure seem sweet (although expensive). For what its worth I am running a 5770 and Q 4000 with my Resolve system

many Thx!

Jeff Kilgroe said:
On the safe side, you can install a Quadro 4000 Mac edition card. They sell used for about $600-ish. New they're about $625 right now from most online vendors after PNY's $100 mail-in rebate that goes thru the end of the year.

If you're more adventurous and want something that gives a bit more kick -- about a 15% gain on CUDA performance in Premiere CS6, even more in Resolve, you can go for the GTX570. The catch there is that it only works properly under the current OSX 10.8.1 or 10.8.2 release and with the current CUDA drivers. You don't see a boot screen, you can't access functions outside the OS, like option-boot to choose a different drive to start from, that sort of thing. There's also the chance that future versions of OSX may break the driver compatibility or drop support.

When the Quadro K5000 Mac edition does start shipping, it's going to be a card with a $2300 street price and not a whole lot to offer over the above two options, especially when installed in a current Mac Pro that doesn't have PCIe v3 support.

The down-side to all this is that the ATI 5770 is a decent card as it is, very close in performance to a GTX 560 card. For apps that use OpenCL or OpenGL, you're not gaining anything by going to the nVidia card....
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Yes, the K5000 cards are now available for Mac. Street price is around $1900 USD. They did some tweaking on the Mac version, or so it seems. Overall it looks like a decent card, probably the best GPU option available for a Mac Pro at the moment, although it comes at a steep price. I would be curious to see how it benchmarks against other cards and I have not got my hands on one yet. To me, it's still a misfit solution of sorts.. At this point, it's doubtful I'll get my hands on a K5000 for the Mac at the current price. I'm curious to see if they crippled the card to PCIe v2 or if it's just advertised as such because that's all the Mac Pro supports.... I have questions about the card, if I were to buy now, and then hope to install it in a future Mac Pro that may be capable of using it. Either way it's a gamble..

For a new Mac Pro, if you're buying now, I say it's a good option, even the best option, if you have the budget to justify the purchase.
 
How much faster is a k5000 than the GTX 285?
 
Thanks Jeff,

It seems to me that for the money - The GTX 680 with 1536 cuda cores is the most sensible way to go.

Jeff Kilgroe said:
Yes, the K5000 cards are now available for Mac. Street price is around $1900 USD. They did some tweaking on the Mac version, or so it seems. Overall it looks like a decent card, probably the best GPU option available for a Mac Pro at the moment, although it comes at a steep price. I would be curious to see how it benchmarks against other cards and I have not got my hands on one yet. To me, it's still a misfit solution of sorts.. At this point, it's doubtful I'll get my hands on a K5000 for the Mac at the current price. I'm curious to see if they crippled the card to PCIe v2 or if it's just advertised as such because that's all the Mac Pro supports.... I have questions about the card, if I were to buy now, and then hope to install it in a future Mac Pro that may be capable of using it. Either way it's a gamble..

For a new Mac Pro, if you're buying now, I say it's a good option, even the best option, if you have the budget to justify the purchase.
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The GTX680 is a good option, just not officially supported. You can find them modded with an EFI ROM, which makes them compatible with the Mac boot screen and other operations that you can perform before the OS loads drivers. For CUDA performance, a GTX570 is similar and a bit more proven. Don't just go off the number of cores, that doesn't tell the whole story.

Personally, I think the K5000 is too expensive for what it is, even for a Quadro card, and the Mac version comes at a $200 premium.

@Will -- the K5000 is probably 2.5 to 3.5 times faster than a GTX285 for CUDA. Somewhere in that range, but I haven't worked with a GTX285 in a while, nor have I compared it with any of the newer Fermi or Kepler cards. When it comes to performance in CS6, CUDA only does some of the heavy lifting. For Premiere, it's during playback. For AE it's only used for memory buffer operations within the Raytrace engine, which is in turn really accelerated by OpenGL calls -- not that it matters much, it's still GPU accelerated. I've found that while GPU acceleration in CS6 can speed things along, once again really just in Premiere's Mercury Playback Engine, it doesn't stress the GPU all that much. Moving to a much more powerful GPU doesn't really gain you any more speed, if the one you have is already keeping up with the rest of the system. A GTX285 is plenty powerful for CS6 MPE in many cases. Something like a GTX570 or faster may not really show their abilities until you start layering GPU FX or actually working with resolutions higher than HD in your playback monitor. That introduces more issues -- as much as we'd all like to work with 5K EPIC footage in real-time at half res or better, that takes a lot of bandwidth and computational muscle to do so. It's a huge drain on CPUs as well as the GPU to make it happen. Some systems and software handle it well, others not so much. Premiere does well, but it's still not as efficient as it could be. All the software I've seen to outperform Premiere CS6 in that department costs a lot more money though -- stuff like Mistika.

If you're looking to upgrade from a GTX285 and have a 2010~current Mac Pro, a GTX680 would probably be a good option. If it's an '09 Mac Pro, a GTX570 is probably a better fit and that card will also work great in a current Mac Pro too. If it's an '08, stick with the GTX285, you're doing just fine.

For other apps, like Resolve, more powerful GPUs can be a lot more beneficial and it also supports multiple GPUs.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
The GTX680 is a good option, just not officially supported. You can find them modded with an EFI ROM, which makes them compatible with the Mac boot screen and other operations that you can perform before the OS loads drivers.
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Are you sure the GTX680 has been hacked with an EFI rom? I guess it's just a matter of time before someone dumpes the K5000 efi and hack it to work with GTX680, but right now, I don't think it has been done...
 
Just want to say "THANK YOU" to Jeff K for his relentless willingness to help anyone seeking more information on any RED subject!

:thumbsup: :beer: :thumbsup:
 
Frank Weeks said:
He's definitely "The man". Thanks Jeff, See you in Vegas.
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Although I agree that Jeff is an awesome resource for us at Reduser, why derail the thread with buttlicking with absolutely no content, maybe it's just me as a modest scandinavian, but I really have a hard time getting a grip on american ***tasting. Well, I guess this kind of scandinavian sardony is just as confusing...
 
Jon MIchael Puntervold said:
Although I agree that Jeff is an awesome resource for us at Reduser, why derail the thread with buttlicking with absolutely no content, maybe it's just me as a modest scandinavian, but I really have a hard time getting a grip on american ***tasting. Well, I guess this kind of scandinavian sardony is just as confusing...
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....to further derail this thread...what helpful content did you just add?
 
You guys are funny.

As for the GTX680, I have seen some out there claiming to have hacked EFI ROMs... I don't know if they actually work or are any good. The GTX570's with hacked ROMs are proving to be very reliable and probably the best all-around for compatibility. GTX580's can be faster, but draw more power, best to keep them inside an expander or use supplemental power for them.

Jean-Marie Belloteau said:
Hi guys!

I have a 2010mac pro with a Cyclone with in it a Red Rocket, a gt120 and two GTX285 from macvidcard. Can I replace the two GTX285 with classical PC GTX680 in the cubix? Is Mac OSX or windows (dualboot) are going to work well? Will I get best performence on DaVinci? Is lower GTX such as GTX570 a better choice for compatibility or performance?

sorry for my english (french guy) and tanks a lot!
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GTX680's work this way, regular PC version is fine. I personally have not tried two 680's in a Cyclone or Cubix, so I don't know how they compare. Two GTX580's or 570's work great!
 
Which Mac GPU's can do BootCamp?

GTX 285 = Yes.
 
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