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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New MacPro predictions? Hopes? Fears?

Nice letter Andy, but I think Apple started walking away from the pro market when we upgraded to FCP X. I think their intentions were pretty clear then and that trend hasn't changed since.

I know people still use FCP now but in the broadcast indutry it is becoming increasing uncommon to see a Mac that isn't an email workhorse.
 
Yes all I can think is... When is the next apple announcement?

Why will they keep making iMacs and such if they don't make a workstation. I don't see the logic.
 
Björn Benckert said:
Why will they keep making iMacs and such if they don't make a workstation. I don't see the logic.
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All the I-Swear-By-Apple-using media pros I know on a first name basis are using iMacs for their desktop choices. All the educational institutions with media labs and such that I have set foot in, are using iMacs and have been for several years. It was the iMac that turned Apple around and made them a hit. The Mac Pro hasn't been relevant in nearly a decade and the trashcan design likely doomed the line, as Apple has made no efforts to improve on it and alienated many Apple enthusiasts and pro users.
 
Does it bother anyone else they keep talking about Apple TV being so amazing and pretend like not having 4K streaming support is normal when pretty much EVERY competitor has had it for a while now?
 
MBP now has 2x 40Gbps = 80Gbps total bandwidth for external devices, while Trashcan has today 3x 20Gbps = 60Gbps... 80Gbps is more than enough, I think...

Microsoft Studio has only 4x 5Gbps = 20Gbps... That's unacceptable for film guys... But boy, I would love to work on Scratch and this screen... It will be like playing piano...
 
New MBP:

New keyboard - check
Configurable mini touch screen - cool
Titanium color - nice
P3 gamut support - cool
New design with larger touchpad - nice
New speakers - okay cool
Fingerprint reader - don't care nor tend to provide biometrics to corporations
Ive design fluff - vomit
No 4K - too bad but not a drama

- Design necessitating fiddling with an adapter for anything USB related because ultra thin is somehow a priority on a "Pro" labeled device > product design fail, "Form meets function" class grade: F,

Would even tolerate adapter fiddling for the OS and device feel if not for:

- GPU 2GB, 16GB for $3000 or 3000 € - thank you, bye bye Apple, "Pro" is just a marketing label now, choosing to wait for Pascal in XPS15 and develop tolerance for Windows, over being continuously disappointed and ripped off for sexy packaging and old glory by folks building a mountain of money
 
Its the fastest macbook pro we ever made.

Cold we raise the bar please apple?
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Just out of curiosity, can anyone tell me why Apple doesn't offer 64GB of RAM as an high margin BTO option?
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Design limitations and complacency. Notice Microsoft also doesn't have a >16GB option in the new Surface Book i7.

I think Apple would have hit a home run here if the MBP would have had:

* RAM Option for 32GB+

* 16" edge-to-edge display in the same form factor, 14" on the 13" MBP model. (no pointless screen bezel)

* Apple Pencil support for the pencil to work both on-screen and on the touchpad.

* Multi-touch screen. I don't even think it needs to fold all the way back or pivot around and try to turn the MBP into an unwieldy tablet, just the touch support so when I'm sitting there I can touch something on the screen, be it a control in some app or a web link or whatever...

* As awesome as the 4 x TB3 ports are, I'd gladly trade one of them back in exchange for two regular A-type USB 3 ports at 5Gbps each and a legacy TB2/mini-DP port.


I need a new MBP for mobile app development and would like to have one for video/ graphics work as well. I'm thinking I may pick up a lesser configuration for the app development use and upgrade again when Apple finally does offer more RAM. I've lumbered along with a 2012, first gen retina MBP for over 4 years now since newer models have failed to offer more RAM, which I've needed pretty much since mid 2013... And the progress with Intel CPUs has been lackluster in this space -- about 15% total improvement in performance to date. Combined with Apple's GPU choices in the past updates, I have not had a compelling reason to upgrade. Best reason to upgrade wast TB2, but the TB1 ports still provided me enough bandwidth for connectivity and external storage on that system.

What worries me is that in 8 months time we'll see the system get a spec bump to Kaby Lake 6-core i7 CPU and 32GB RAM and we'll still be having this same discussion complaining that 32GB was needed with 4 cores and it would be much better to get 64GB since we're all shooting 8K cameras...
 
You don't need 32 GB, but there will be an update with 32 smileys for a touch screen. How the real pros roll.

This game of "Pretend to be Pro" is getting bizarre.

Nice letter, Andy.
 
that they kill the product and piss us off more lol?
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I think Apple would have hit a home run here if the MBP would have had:

* RAM Option for 32GB+

* 16" edge-to-edge display in the same form factor, 14" on the 13" MBP model. (no pointless screen bezel)

* Apple Pencil support for the pencil to work both on-screen and on the touchpad.

* Multi-touch screen. I don't even think it needs to fold all the way back or pivot around and try to turn the MBP into an unwieldy tablet, just the touch support so when I'm sitting there I can touch something on the screen, be it a control in some app or a web link or whatever...

* As awesome as the 4 x TB3 ports are, I'd gladly trade one of them back in exchange for two regular A-type USB 3 ports at 5Gbps each and a legacy TB2/mini-DP port.
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+ 1

I'd go with 32GB, edge to edge screen, and 4GB GPU.

If that included a 4K flip over touch screen and a pencil it would be a fantastic multi-purpose computer but that seems as science fiction with new Cupertino philosophy and leadership so I'd say Cupertino today prefers you just get a MBP and an iPad instead and target the masses with "Pro". Better to have more battery time for web surfing.


And now for MBRP.
MacBook ReallyPro - performance hardware with aesthetics and feel without the kiddy stuff, Lucy can more practically chat with her boyfriend for 10 hrs on MacBook Pro.
 
yea the 16gb ram is a blow but i need to update my 2013 retina. i have a 17" zbook that's pimped out for heavy loads and Moco.
But for set with some softwares like pomfort i need to have mac os. i think i don't have much choice but to pull the trigger once i finish getting everything i need for my epic-w
 
Funny thing is, the iPad Pro impresses me all the time with how powerful and elegant the hardware is. On the flip side, I am frustrated beyond belief with the software situation for the iPad. Software companies like Adobe have no interest or desire to support it. It's more than powerful enough to run full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator, even Premiere. Instead we're relegated to using Adobe's mobile app offerings. Some of them are pretty cool, on a phone. Unfortunately the software industry has not realized how capable the iPads have become. And Apple hasn't realized that they have failed to implement the vision of Steve where OS X and iOS would eventually converge.

Development for iOS has become a multi-billion $$ industry for Apple. One would think by now the MacBook Pro, and other Macs, would have that hot new A10X chip integrated and be able to run and develop iOS apps natively right on the MacOS desktop.

One would think that with Apple's huge investment in media content and distribution of said content that they would also want to be at the forefront of creating all that content. Their interest in the professional creation aspect of all that content has become a sad testament to the very artists they depend on for all the other facets of their business to prosper.
 
Sold my 2012 retina 10 days ago. Wish I had kept it. Had a 2014 retina briefly, but returned it when all it offered over my 2012 was an additional 1GB and 100MHz improvement on the same [but renamed] GPU chipset and a 5% bump in CPU performance for an almost $4K price tag. I've been sitting here, using my 2012 MBP less and less, knowing that I'd buy a new one as soon as I could get 32GB+ RAM. Got my hands on the base model 15" last week and I really like it. I'm still thrilled over the quality of the display and the 4 x TB3 ports. This thing is actually a dream come true for a lot of DITs. Seeing it finally arrive in store with all that under the hood and only 16GB RAM is just a mind-numbingly stupid decision by Apple. But since that aspect kills the sale for me, I'm going to vent a bit and complain about the other features it should have, but lacks.

If they put up a 32GB version on the store, I'd buy it the nanosecond the link goes live. I'd buy Tim Cook flowers and chocolates if it would get me 64GB.
 
Personally I think this is a pretty decent upgrade. Like most I also wanted Nvidia GPU's and a 32GB RAM option, but this is still a welcome upgrade that should be faster than my current early-2015 MBP ultimate build. I think the Touch Bar will be found to offer some unique and very beneficial functionality in a lot of apps from Premiere Pro to DaVinci Resolve to FCPX to Logic Pro X to Photoshop, etc. Sure, the emojis are a little gimmicky, but that's just one app and Apple is trying to also appeal to the masses that don't use professional apps but will still use a MacBook Pro, and they also want to make it clear that every app you might use could take advantage of the Touch Bar. Seeing the Photoshop demo using the Touch Bar was impressive, as was the FCPX demo. And this is just the start. I can only imagine what some developers might try to do with the Touch Bar. I think it's kind of a game-changer in laptops. And personally, I don't want a touch screen main display. The last thing I want is to see a bunch of fingerprints and skin oil all over a 15.4" screen.

As far as having only 4 USB-C ports, I'll take it. The old USB type A connector is just that... old. And it was probably all that was causing the MBP to be as thick as it was. Here, buy 4 of these and you can have 4 of those type A ports. Not a big deal at all. And Thunderbolt 3 is adaptable to Thunderbolt 2, so I don't see why anyone would want a Thunderbolt 2 port. In fact there's adapters for Thunderbolt 2, which will accept Thunderbolt 1 as well, HDMI, VGA, DisplayPort, etc.

So, yeah, I'll upgrade. Still bummed there's no new Mac Pro, but I'll still upgrade my MBP to the new MBP and I'll just keep my Hackintosh going for now. It serves me well still.

And speaking of FCPX, the new 10.3 update seems like a great update as well. Tracks are back, and better then ever. Add some other great new features, and with the performance of FCPX being almost unbeatable (aside from actually exporting a project vs. Premiere Pro/Media Encoder), and FCPX is shaping up to be a great option for pro editing. Pro features is almost all Apple has been adding to FCPX since they released it.

Oh, and I'm really really curious what the benchmarks will be on these new MBPs.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Funny thing is, the iPad Pro impresses me all the time with how powerful and elegant the hardware is. On the flip side, I am frustrated beyond belief with the software situation for the iPad. Software companies like Adobe have no interest or desire to support it. It's more than powerful enough to run full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator, even Premiere. Instead we're relegated to using Adobe's mobile app offerings. Some of them are pretty cool, on a phone. Unfortunately the software industry has not realized how capable the iPads have become. And Apple hasn't realized that they have failed to implement the vision of Steve where OS X and iOS would eventually converge.

Development for iOS has become a multi-billion $$ industry for Apple. One would think by now the MacBook Pro, and other Macs, would have that hot new A10X chip integrated and be able to run and develop iOS apps natively right on the MacOS desktop.

One would think that with Apple's huge investment in media content and distribution of said content that they would also want to be at the forefront of creating all that content. Their interest in the professional creation aspect of all that content has become a sad testament to the very artists they depend on for all the other facets of their business to prosper.
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I couldn't agree more Jeff. The fact that I can't even do a simple data dump from my RED cards to an external hard drive using the iPad Pro is infuriating, would be the perfect lightweight portable tool to use on location.
 
If thunderbolt 3 on the new Mac supports external GPU then I am interested and will stay with Mac for a while.
Thunderbolt 3 is the only real new thing. 9 months after being on a PC.
 
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