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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

New MacPro predictions? Hopes? Fears?

Jarek Zabczynski said:
Do tell. Did they also make the magnetic timeline optional? That and no tracks were my two requirements before I gave it another look.

I guess what I'm asking is, can I make and have empty tracks in my timeline and not have stuff shifting around as I add to or take away from it?
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Yes, you can now have empty tracks or clips without them automatically snapping next to the previous clip.
 
Mike Halper said:
speaking of FCPX, the new 10.3 update seems like a great update as well. Tracks are back, and better then ever.
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Well, when the FCPx product manager "managed" to screw up the edit timeline in FCPx in one quick swoop, I got my best laugh out of Apple's presentation today.

So does FCPx now offer a true non-linear AND non-magnetic timeline option?
It's completely unacceptable to me when clips "magically" move on their own when working with other clips in the timeline.
 
P for position makes any changes non magnetic, I just place everything ON TOP OF the timeline, I never drop anything into it, use it strictly as a range tool

steve
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
Do tell. Did they also make the magnetic timeline optional? That and no tracks were my two requirements before I gave it another look.

I guess what I'm asking is, can I make and have empty tracks in my timeline and not have stuff shifting around as I add to or take away from it?
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Look at the videos on Apple's website. They show how they work. Pretty awesome actually. Tracks combined with roles and new "lanes" now.

Magnetic timeline was always optional by using the Position tool (P key) instead of the standard Select tool. Watch some Youtube videos about editing with the Position tool and you'll see how it works. Magnetic timeline can be very useful too.
 
L. Langer said:
I'd need a fucking chalk board to explain DRAM to ya, but to make it short and simple, it's not possible at this time, without committing more physical real estate to RAM. You can do 64GB with 4 SODIMMs or a larger chunk of board space for embedded LPDDR, like the new products are using. Stacked DRAM will make it possible to have large amounts of RAM, but that tech is being held back for the moment, for various reasons.
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Meh... I'm sure the physical real estate requirement to double the RAM capacity, double the space + a bit of overhead, is 100% the reason why most of these notebooks are not offering larger memory sizes. But it's a trade-off. They could most certainly have done it if they wanted to. We have higher density DDR4 chips from Micron and Samsung coming to market in the next few months. So 32GB will most likely happen with the next spec bump... In oh, maybe 8 to 12 months. That is, assuming everything else aligns for it happening in terms of thermals and such. I think I'm going to expect the 32GB to arrive with Kaby Lake CPUs. It's just such a sad state of affairs when I've been running 16GB in my Apple notebooks for 7 years now. Yep that's right, I had 16GB in my 2009 17" MBP. It was awesome at the time. 16GB was still awesome in 2011. It was starting to be a concern by 2012 with the retina release. And has been a real and growing issue since 2013. 32GB+ memory sizes have been specifically supported by Intel's mobile platform without additional control or extension since 2014.

To put the 32GB in there now in the same form factor we would have to give up something else, so less battery, or lose a port or two. More memory chips increasing thermal output will require increased cooling. But what this says to many of us here is that Apple and Microsoft and others are not listening to the needs of their professional users and are choosing certain features and configuration attributes over others based on a form over function principle or mass market appeal.

This mass market appeal combined with a starving pro market ready to snatch up whatever Apple brought to the table are the likely reasons why we're not seeing larger dissent over the memory capacity.
 
Daniel Reed said:
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So does FCPx now offer a true non-linear AND non-magnetic timeline option?
It's completely unacceptable to me when clips "magically" move on their own when working with other clips in the timeline.
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There are folks who would eloquently disagree with you about your characterization of what is "linear" and what is "non-linear." Such as here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcnXFhTC1k
 
I'm also typing away on a 2012 MBPr right now. Over 4 years later it is still one of the only laptops that can run a 4K monitor, Raid Storage, 10GbE, AND Ultrastudio 4K on shows or in an edit suite.

I'll finally take the plunge like you Jeff and go for the upgrade. Ideally, I can grab a 1080 or pull a Titan-X out from another machine and chop away with some driver support. If not, ideally Windows will support all 4 TB3 ports properly. But the above config is a testament to how great the MBP has been.

I really like MacOS. I really like(d) the nMP and even had 3 at one point. They're all gone. I now cut on a system that cost me half of what one of them did. And it does 6K/8K in realtime on many FPS and compressions.

This laptop sits next to that Workstation and is connected via 10GbE, Shares nearly 200TB of storage and I don't even touch the K/M because of remote access through Windows. iCloud is shared. Adobe is shared. I communicate just as I normally do through MacOS apps and my phone while I work on the PC. I can even use an iPad Pro as a drawing tablet...on the PC.

I own literally every product Apple makes save for the nMP. Once I relinquished the idea of waiting for a new Mac Workstation, I got to work on a PC and haven't looked back. There's a learning curve, and it isn't as bulletproof as OSX, but it's extremely cost effective. String of composite jobs coming up? Better upgrade to 256GB ECC Memory. Lots of 8K work flowing in? Better swap out to the 6950X. That's it.

Look at Apple's quarterly review and you'll see where their priorities lie and I don't blame them. Don't get me wrong, 32 and 64GB BTO's would be fantastic as well as a 4K 16" touchscreen, but that may be next year when Microsoft/HP have officially warmed up the market with AIO's.
 
Sergio Perez said:
Does sierra accepts external gpus through tb3 ?
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I hear its a bit buggy ATM on 10.12 as nVidia just released web drivers and CUDA support for it.
While the CUDA driver supports Pascal on 10.12, the official nVidia web drivers currently only supports Maxwell on 10.12.
Obviously, nVidia's team had to have some form of 10.12 beta driver internally to get CUDA on Pascal working in 10.12 - hopefully it will be made public in a month or two.
 
Jason Osterday said:
Ideally, I can grab a 1080 or pull a Titan-X out from another machine and chop away with some driver support.
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May need to wait a few months for Pascal support (see my post above), but for now, a cheap $300 980Ti 6GB is a great stop-gap (or a Maxwell based Titan-X as a full solution now).
 
There's a lot more in this new FCPX release. Things like using source timecode for window burns, remove effects and attributes, etc. I'll wait it out for a rev or two before jumping from 10.2.3 but promising that Apple is taking some of the feedback.
 
Daniel Reed said:
I hear its a bit buggy ATM on 10.12 as nVidia just released web drivers and CUDA support for it.
While the CUDA driver supports Pascal on 10.12, the official nVidia web drivers currently only supports Maxwell on 10.12.
Obviously, nVidia's team had to have some form of 10.12 beta driver internally to get CUDA on Pascal working in 10.12 - hopefully it will be made public in a month or two.
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Good to hear there's some code in there somewhere for external gpus!

My macbook pro retina got "stuck"on yosemite after a bad blu ray disc burner fried one usb port- and probably something in the motherboard. I tried to update after yosemite but it wouldnt boot up. I ordered a Helium and I use FCPX , so if Sierra doesnt update , it meqns the end of the line for my 2012. Just ordered the new Machook Pro, everything maxed but the HDD, which I kept at 1TB.

Macs are working fine for me and cant wait to try the new update.
 
Andy Roberts said:
The letter I just sent to tcook@apple.com:

Tim,

When I was 14 years old, I bought my first Mac. It was March of 1984.

A whopping 128K of RAM, a 400K floppy and a 9-in monochrome screen.

From that day until now, I’ve only used Macs, exclusively. I have only been on Windows computers to help friends, but of course, I was as totally lost.

Today, my wife, my three children and I all use Macs. We all have iPhone 7’s. We all have iPads. We all have Apple Watches. We have the latest version of Apple TV.

My entire career revolves around my Mac.

Yet today, after the presentation, I will be shopping for my first PC.

Why?

Because I’m a professional who makes his money working on capable computers and Apple has officially abandoned that professional market… the market that made Apple successful: graphic designers, photographers, cinematographers, 3D artists, musicians.

The Mac Pro is over 3 years old and doesn’t support the modern nVidia GPUs. I can’t edit and colorgrade 8K video footage on a laptop with 16GB of RAM.

Anyway, as a colleague pointed out, I seriously couldn’t be more underwhelmed by a Touch Bar that can do emojis.

Maybe developing high-end workstations with raw horsepower for us professionals doesn’t bring enough ROI for Apple. But for a company that has over $100 billion is cash reserves, that sure seems like a silly reason.

We don’t need a work of art for a workstation. We need a workstation to work OUR art.

Please stop the suspense and tell the professional world what your intentions are. If abandonment is the plan, then tell us clearly so we can go buy PCs in peace.

But know this: there is still a need for trucks, as Steve called them, to carry the heavy loads. I’d prefer that my truck have an Apple logo on it.

With hope,

Andy
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Oo, I've got his email address now.

William Ciani said:
Sooooo when is the NEXT apple announcement? Ughhh
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Ces, Mac world?

Louis Maddalena said:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?150834-GROUP-BUY-BOXX-Systems

If you need a new computer and you're interested in jumping from apple, new information will be here with in the next day or so.... putting your name down now will not lock you in, I'll send you a PM to confirm once the discounts are locked down.
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And HP.* The z1 G3, is a small disaster, I need at least a 100% p3 fold down 30-65 inch screen, 4k-8k 4:4:4 p50/100 12-20 bit.* They could not even manage 30 inch 4:4:4 10 but 4k.

Jeff Kilgroe said:
Funny thing is, the iPad Pro impresses me all the time with how powerful and elegant the hardware is.* On the flip side, I am frustrated beyond belief with the software situation for the iPad.* Software companies like Adobe have no interest or desire to support it.* It's more than powerful enough to run full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator, even Premiere.* Instead we're relegated to using Adobe's mobile app offerings.
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I agree Jeff.

But a friend got me to help her merge some attachments on her IPhone emails.* What a nightmare, when I eventually figured out how to copy the things through the very complex system (throw a man into a dark room and its complex) and realised it wanted to start up a cloud storage account to copy a document, with no real storage in sight, I knew it was doomed and felt like throwing it away.* So, not only that without external storage, but numerous limitations.

However, they should allow Mac osx program support with an x86 binary code to Arm transliterator, and arm binary support.* In that way people can start running Mac OSX x86 programs while developers get to develop arm versions, preparing a market for an ARM IMac.

Jeff Kilgroe said:
But if that wasn't bad enough, we now have Microsoft competing head to head with apple on their own vertical platform and most of the same issues.* I think the real reason we didn't see a new iMac today is because of the Surface Studio.* And while I appreciate and applaud the enthusiasm for the pro design community in Microsoft's presentation yesterday, I get the impression they were just pandering to all of the Apple supporters who feel like they're being left behind.* The new reality is corporate greed and gross consumerism now are the primary driving factors behind computer design.* It's not worth it to the big guys to offer up a cookie-cutter pro workstation.* Intel isn't even positioning their Xeon CPU line for workstations anymore and they are designing them and marketing them to fit the server and virtualization markets.
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Don't forget HP has been doing a iMac like thin consumer systems for ages, not just the HP z1, and very much like the IMac touch patent.* The IMac itself is probably like previous all in ones systems from Asia (but I forget, they had a all in one sumo platform that might have become all in ones).

I think also there might be a realisation that things like Phi, cuda, and open gl (if you have enough card slots) are taking over this space.* But GPUs could be made standalone and take over the server space too.* You can integrate an ARM setup on the GPU/GPU card, and some interfaces.* Or a RISC V, and RiscV array.** The GPU has extensions for this space, but the CPU runs Linux, the secondary 32 bit small core CPU array does some things the GPU are not good at (even integrated in the GPU instruction set).* Not a GPU as you know if, but a calculation beast with server function.* Next strip down the graphic function on all but the human interface card, and much more goes into it again, with most cards being pure server dedication.* But going further again, a RISC V array, but going further again there are a number of server functions that can be hardwired, or built into Ram chips for extremely cheap extremely high speed.* So Intel should be nervous about in depending on the server space, one if the most commoditisable spaces.* Imagine if somebody like Cisco did that, Intel could just close the door to its enterprise server business.

As is, Intel and Apple still have opportunity in the home and individual server spaces, which can be served by a workstation oriented CPU.* So they might as well still make a dual purpose CPU optimised for workstation performance and keep their foot in the door.
 
So, no new Mac Pro. I was hoping for something to compensate for not buying a suitable work TV yesterday for less han half the price they were a few months ago. :( still trying to find out his different this is from the reviewed model. Either good or bad. Now cameras, no Red Smart camera phone with attachable lens. Looks like they will make us wait until Nab, or maybe January :)

Anyway, that Microsoft Surface Studio. If only it was twice as big with descent multiple core sensor and two GPU card, P3/Rec 2020 coverage 4-8k 3D display at that would be good at that price.

I was thinking at a big box under the display with tilt arms with a vesa amount to attach a monitor. There are cheap resolution multiple point touch cover technology now. Looks like that's done now. But think of it, Apple could do a pro version of the iMac like this with a honking great amount of processing and GPU in the box. Might make them happy to have the two lines combined.
 
Sooo...

the new Mac has a touchbar - now that's cute

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