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New DJI Ronin M

Tim Morris

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I want to get the opinion of those who went to NAB 2015 and got a chance to play with the new Ronin M and stripped down Red Epic Dragon. I have the 1st generation Ronin, but I am on the edge and ready to pull the trigger for the newer lighter gimbal. I was also interested in the Armour Man made by Tilta...but Phil and several others didn't like the design. I like to hear your thoughts regarding the new Ronin M
 
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@ jeffrey....not sure if I can provide any specifics...but I saw a video on youtube and one of the DJI reps mentioned flying a stripped down epic on the new Ronin.....I am thinking the side handle will have to come off. A buddy of mine did tell me about a new product that aerial media pros has for a side battery that might look promising. I want to see some raw footage however.
http://www.aerialmediapros.com/store/gi-side-v-lock-power-module/dp/778
 
If you want to use RED Epic / Scarlet - I would recommend sticking with the "normal" Ronin. You might be able to use extremely stripped down CF Epic in a limited lens configurations, but I would not recommend to do that. The Ronin-M was developed in response of all those who have purchased the Ronin for use with cameras smaller then the RED and were complaining about the size and weight. If you already have a Ronin - invest in some support solution instead...

:sifone: Peter
 
Tim Morris said:
I want to get the opinion of those who went to NAB 2015 and got a chance to play with the new Ronin M and stripped down Red Epic Dragon. I have the 1st generation Ronin, but I am on the edge and ready to pull the trigger for the newer lighter gimbal. I was also interested in the Armour Man made by Tilta...but Phil and several others didn't like the design. I like to hear your thoughts regarding the new Ronin M
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Pretty sure it wasn't the design he disliked. He said all the exoskeleton rigs are silly to him. The Armor Man is very well built. Check this out from this post down: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?128423-Yet-Another-Exoskeleton-Tiltamax-Armor-Man&p=1491818&viewfull=1#post1491818
 
This will get interesting.......I still want to see some footage with the red attached to the Ronin M. Specs say 8 lb pay load. Epic Dragon body without side handle........5lbs, Canon 24 LII 1.4lbs, battery and plate 2 lbs ......follow focus attached may be pushing it..........but I would still love to see how it responds.

As far as the exoskeleton.....tilta's armour man appears to be the best bang for your buck when you look at the price point. Action Runner and LAigle systems are a bit much as far as the price goes.
 
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I picked up the Ronin M with a Weapon CF body and the jetpack + Lipo batt. It was really easy to move with it. Much better than my Ronin and Epic X and small IDX 7S side mounted.

But that was a weapon CF. Not an EpicX Dragon.

If you want to fly a smaller camera, it seems like a great tool. But then I haven't checked out the Letus stuff.

M
 
@Zeb, I see you're ready for round 2. I'll start by saying this thread doesn't belong to me but it clearly is titled Ronin-M, therefore the topic should be about the Ronin-M, its capabilities, and how it can benefit the good people on Reduser. Please take the product you endorse to the necessary thread.

To everybody else that's curious about the Ronin-M including @TimMorris, I'm here to answer any and all of your questions to the best of my ability. To start, during NAB, Clyde from Red was indeed waking around NAB South Hall carrying a Red Weapon with the new Ronin-M. Specs says 8 pounds, but we've pushed it to 10.

At the DJI booth, we had a Red Dragon on a Ronin-M mounted on an RC Car owned by Ron Hernandez from HostileRC able to travel 55+ MPH.

Using a side plate would benefit those who own a regular DJI Ronin, but if you want to power the Red, you need an external 4-cell battery for now. When I say for now, I'm not promising an immediate solution, but it means we are working on something to benefit the Red Users.
 
Peter, you've had the Ronin for quite sometime now? I remember the test with the deer in Japan, right?

After this time, you feel shooting with the Ronin is not practical alone. The weight takes a toll on the body rather quickly?

Peter Majtan said:
If you already have a Ronin - invest in some support solution instead...

:sifone: Peter
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Replacing the steady cam and harness options of the past?

Matt Ryan said:
Yup, the gimbal with an exoskeleton is going to be very widely used. Not sure why so many are opposed to it.
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The appeal of a "floatation" unit, AKA steady cam type setup, is for indy guys like us, to smooth out some shots without the budget. We are directors, writers, producers... actors or "celebrity hobbyists" like Zeb (love you man). We play many roles on our shoots. Taking one of us out and basically making a mech out of a man gives us a great robot creature to lift spirits on set but we are down one man.

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Might be used "in a movie" but not on a movie...... you really don't need that much gak to get bad floatie shots.
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Question for Willis, what is the difference in regards to motors and controller boards between ronin and ronin M?
Is it just the rig that is smaller lighter or is it also weaker motors?

Please make a RED Ronin that take care for power from a single source.

For weapon that has the flip flop option I guess the best configuration is to use the camera upside down to get the lensmount as close as possible to the pan tilt axis. So please make a camera mount that fits the top of weapon. Having the lens mount too far from the tilt roll axis is causing some unneeded shakes, keeping the nodal centered makes things tons better.

Execept for the above I think the ronin is a fantastic product for a great price.
 
Would a single USB Type C connector help out?

+ HDMI out (of weapon)
+ 60 Watts to power supply the camera (out of 100w Max). could connect to a power source on your back.
+ Just one (reasonably flexible cable)

+ And of the gimbal could 'tap' into the USB supply ... there would be even less weight (no battery in front of you).

AJ
 
@ DJI/Willis.......I know that the new Ronin M is made for smaller cameras......but it would be good to see some sample footage of a RED Epic Dragon with your new Ronin M. There are a number of us who have the first generation Ronin and its a great tool, but its heavy as heck. I power lift.......but carrying the 1st generation is ruff over the course of a shoot. As far as the exoskeleton......it needs to be talked about as well because it will dictate how I make my next purchase.

Do I buy the armor man ($2400.00) or some other exoskeleton to support my Ronin 1st generation.....or do I buy a Ronin M which DJI said will be priced under $2000.00. The big question is........Can the Ronin M support the Epic Dragon comfortably. One video would be nice. I want to see it in action since I could not make NAB. Last year, your promotional videos of the Ronin were great........visually, you showed us what it could do. That is with a RED attached!!!
 
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Tim Morris said:
@ DJI/Willis.......I know that the new Ronin M is made for smaller cameras......but it would be good to see some sample footage of a RED Epic Dragon with your new Ronin M. There are a number of us who have the first generation Ronin and its a great tool, but its heavy as heck. I power lift and carrying the 1st generation is ruff over the course of a shoot. As far as the exoskeleton......it needs to be talked about as well because it will dictate how I make my next purchase.

Do I buy the armor man ($2400.00) or some other exoskeleton to support my Ronin 1st generation.....or do I buy a Ronin M which DJI said will be priced under $2000.00. The big question is........Can the Ronin M support the Epic Dragon comfortably. One video would be nice. I want to see it in action since I could not make NAB. Last year, your promotional videos of the Ronin were great........visually, you showed us what it could do.
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Exoskeleton gives you vertical stabilization in addition to weight support.
 
Björn Benckert said:
Please make a RED Ronin that take care for power from a single source.
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Anyone know if anything like this is in the works for any gimbal out there? I'm getting an exo, so heavy batteries are not an issue - just need a single power source so i'm not investing in an addl battery type.
 
Nikhil Kamkolkar said:
Anyone know if anything like this is in the works for any gimbal out there? I'm getting an exo, so heavy batteries are not an issue - just need a single power source so i'm not investing in an addl battery type.
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LeveFly does.
 
Something you may all want to consider is while the actual weight of the gimbal definitely effects how long you can operate without additional support, even with a light-weight system like the MoVI/Ronin M, you still can't go all day without continuous breaks, and as the day progresses, you can go less and less time before you need a break.

So Tim, you'll still yearn for gimbal support, even with a Ronin M, so just keep that in mind. I use the MoVI M10, Epic MX, AB mount batt, wireless ff/monitoring, etc. It still gets heavy quickly, so I'm always in need of some type of support system. What I've been doing lately, is having my AC wear a little custom rig I built. In between takes, he's holding it fully supported. I take just the gimbal setup from him, do the take, then "dock" on him after the take is done. This greatly helps fatigue and I can dock it anywhere, since he's wearing a support system. However, during long takes, I then wear the rig so fatigue doesn't set in. With any support rig, you become limited, no matter how you slice it.

The new offerings from Exhauss and Tilta look great, and I tried both at NAB. I also tried the EasyRig/Serene/Puppeteer combo, which personally, I hated. The skeletons are much better in my opinion, giving you much more versatility in movement from low to "somewhat" high. You're a tad wider with the exo/tilta, but I'd rather be a tad wider then a lot taller, which is what you get with the EasyRig setup. Again, with shorter takes, I most likely wouldn't wear any support device, but as the takes get longer, or, as the day progresses, it's a necessity!
 
i have had the Ronin-M for over a month and it is better than the first one and out performs any other brushless gimbal i ever used before i will be posting a video soon
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